The Christian Downfall ---The Error Of Balaam

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The one thing about going round the mountain is it just keeps going ---no end in sight -----no proof --no answers ---no getting the job done ----only endless wandering round and round ----it is like the energizer bunny --it just goes and goes and goes -----

Peace to all -----

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You could easily provide the proof you've been asked for, unsafe. Just provide the specific Scriptures that say what you claim Scripture says. But you can't, and you won't admit that you've gone beyond the text. You're knowingly perpetuating a lie out of pride and arrogance. You're a false teacher on this issue at least.
 
Proverbs 4:7Amplified Bible (AMP)

7 The beginning of Wisdom is: get Wisdom (skillful and godly Wisdom)! [For skillfulandgodly Wisdom is the principal thing.] And with all you have gotten, get understanding (discernment, comprehension, and interpretation)

Peace to all
 
Unsafe,

Where is the Scripture that says that Cain's sacrifice was rejected because it was not a blood sacrifice?
Where is the Scripture that says that Cain was without faith?
Where is the Scripture that says that God gave Cain and Abel instructions on sacrifice prior to this incident?
Where is theScripture that says that Cain and Abel were making sin offerings?

Those are clear and precise questions. Answer them, chapter and verse, or admit that you have made a personal interpretation with no explicit scriptural support. If you won't do either of those things then you have revealed yourself to be a false teacher.

Duck and dive and twist and divert all you want. Where are the Scriptures that say what you claim Scripture says?
 
Proverbs 3:5Amplified Bible (AMP)

5 Lean on, trust in,andbe confident in the Lord with all your heartandmind and do not rely on your own insight or understanding.
 
Since you are so clearly a false teacher why would anyone pay attention to anything you post? Again -

Where are the Scriptures that say:

1) that Cain's sacrifice was rejected because it was not a blood sacrifice?
2) that Cain was without faith?
3) that previous instruction about sacrifice had been given to Cain and Abel by God?
4) that the offerings made by Cain and Abel were sin offerings?

Chapter and verse, unsafe. You've made claims about these things. You only believe the Word of God. Where in the Bible are these things written? Chapter and verse. Or admit that the Bible does not teach these things and that you are offering your interpretation, relying on your own insight and understanding. Or be continuously dismissed as the false teacher you are proving yourself to be.
 
revsdd said:
Since you are so clearly a false teacher why would anyone pay attention to anything you post? Again -

Where are the Scriptures that say:

1) that Cain's sacrifice was rejected because it was not a blood sacrifice?
2) that Cain was without faith?
3) that previous instruction about sacrifice had been given to Cain and Abel by God?
4) that the offerings made by Cain and Abel were sin offerings?

Chapter and verse, unsafe. You've made claims about these things. You only believe the Word of God. Where in the Bible are these things written? Chapter and verse. Or admit that the Bible does not teach these things and that you are offering your interpretation, relying on your own insight and understanding. Or be continuously dismissed as the false teacher you are proving yourself to be.
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revsdd - It"s great how patient you've been in this thread. Props to you on that. How long will you persist when your requests remain unanswered?
 
Pr. Jae, as a Holy Spirit filled Christian (yes, unsafe) I possess both the spiritual gift of discernment (thus, my continual challenge to unsafe's false teaching) and am grateful to be able to demonstrate the spiritual fruit of patience.
 
Hi revsdd-- You really should read more of GODS word.
Try--Mat7:1 you could read all of seven.
Now lets see what your posting.

1) that Cain's sacrifice was rejected because it was not a blood sacrifice?

AIRCLEAN--You and I talked on this befor. I thought you agreed one way or another . So it's up to the reader to Discern. Oh you said thats your gift . Then please show me by Chapter and vers were you disagree with Unsafe.

2) that Cain was without faith?

AIRCLEAN--You believe Cain had faith ? Or not. Please show me by Chapter and vers where you get this REV.


3) that previous instruction about sacrifice had been given to Cain and Abel by God?

AIRCLEAN--Once more I can't find were it saids one way or another. You" I'm sure would not mind showing me by Chapter and vers where it said one way or another. In that you believe Unsafe wrong.


4) that the offerings made by Cain and Abel were sin offerings?

Airclean---Once more I can"t seem to find one way or another were it said what Kind of offering it should or should not be. But I sure once more you can help , by showing be by Chapter and vers . Were I to, can read were you got your Discernent. Unless you note GOD accepted Abels Blood offering. But I some how feel thats not what you had in mine.---AIRCLEAN33
 
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Hi pr jae---You may know these vers jae . after all you are at study right now. And I'm sure know almost every thing. Go ahead jae.
 
airclean33 said:
Hi pr jae.... I'm sure know almost every thing.
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Thank you for the compliment airclean33 - but I pray I never have the attitude that I know almost everything. I'm exploring my spirituality the same as everyone else.

In this particular discussion - I side much less with unsafe than with revsdd. unsafe has claimed that the Bible says certain things - and revsdd has simply asked unsafe to back up her claims with scripture. Sadly - despite revsdd's repeated requests and extreme patience - unsafe has not provided scriptural proof for her claims. I hope that she will provide such proof soon. I look forward to learning from her.
 
airclean33 said:
Hi revsdd-- You really should read more of GODS word.
Try--Mat7:1 you could read all of seven.
Now lets see what your posting.

1) that Cain's sacrifice was rejected because it was not a blood sacrifice?

AIRCLEAN--You and I talked on this befor. I thought you agreed one way or another . So it's up to the reader to Discern. Oh you said thats your gift . Then please show me by Chapter and vers were you disagree with Unsafe.

2) that Cain was without faith?

AIRCLEAN--You believe Cain had faith ? Or not. Please show me by Chapter and vers where you get this REV.


3) that previous instruction about sacrifice had been given to Cain and Abel by God?

AIRCLEAN--Once more I can't find were it saids one way or another. You" I'm sure would not mind showing me by Chapter and vers where it said one way or another. In that you believe Unsafe wrong.


4) that the offerings made by Cain and Abel were sin offerings?

Airclean---Once more I can"t seem to find one way or another were it said what Kind of offering it should or should not be. But I sure once more you can help , by showing be by Chapter and vers . Were I to, can read were you got your Discernent. Unless you note GOD accepted Abels Blood offering. But I some how feel thats not what you had in mine.---AIRCLEAN33
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In all honesty airclean I suspect that I've read more of God's Word than you, but it's not a competition. I haven't made any claims about what Scripture does or does not say. Unsafe on the other hand says she listens only to God's Word, and has made claims that are not backed up at all in Scripture. All I've asked her to do is show me in Scripture where her claims are validated. Four claims in particular that I mention. That's a reasonable request. She, on the other hand, asks me to prove Scripture wrong, but she won't tell me what Scriptures explicitly support her claim. She's a false teacher, because she's teaching that Scripture says something that Scripture doesn't say. And if Scripture does say it, she's invited to show me where. Chapter and verse.
 
airclean33 said:
revsdd-- You really should read more of GODS word.
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How much does he have to read before he finds scripture that doesn't exist?

Since you believe yourself to be so well read maybe you can answer the questions that unsafe refuses to?
 
revjohn said:
How much does he have to read before he finds scripture that doesn't exist?

Since you believe yourself to be so well read maybe you can answer the questions that unsafe refuses to?
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Hi Rev John -- Now I see why your church is in trouble . If someone ask a Question of a united Minister ,you just say you answer your own questions, as I don't no them.
 
chansen said:
This is quite refreshing. I like it when you guys stand your ground.
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Hi Chansen--Here is the vers I gave Rev Steve to read
Mat 7:1 "Judge not, that you be not judged.
I also said it mite be well to read all of Mat 7:. Rev John has now twisted it around to mean something else. This don't really surprise me much with John. You are right a Christain though should stand there ground. This is very inporten in these days .
 
airclean33 said:
Hi Chansen--Here is the vers I gave Rev Steve to read
Mat 7:1 "Judge not, that you be not judged.
I also said it mite be well to read all of Mat 7:. Rev John has now twisted it around to mean something else. This don't really surprise me much with John. You are right a Christain though should stand there ground. This is very inporten in these days .
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logical fallacy of poisoning the well

you saying that Rev John is incompetent when it comes to scripture DOES NOT AFFECT AT ALL what is really happening (ie the Truth) with Unsafe, in that she isn't answering the good rev s davis' simple questions

let it go -- you or i or anyone else cannot help Unsafe -- Unsafe made a claim and she is being asked to back up her claim. now it is up to her to decide what to do, not you or i
 
airclean33 said:
Hi Chansen--Here is the vers I gave Rev Steve to read
Mat 7:1 "Judge not, that you be not judged.
I also said it mite be well to read all of Mat 7:. Rev John has now twisted it around to mean something else. This don't really surprise me much with John. You are right a Christain though should stand there ground. This is very inporten in these days .
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In a biblical sense, judgement refers to a person's eternal fate. I make no judgement as to a person's eternal fate. "Do not judge does not mean not pointing out sin and/or error.

Unsafe has given plenty of "answers." The problem is that they're not answers to my questions. They're bobbing and weaving around my questions. So, to either one of you:

Which Scripture says that Cain's sacrifice was not acceptable because it was not a blood sacrifice?
Which Scripture says that Cain was witnout faith?
Which Scripture says that Cain and Abel were given instructions about sacrifices by God before this incident?
Which Scripture says that the offerings made by Cain and Abel were sin offerings?

Unsafe has said she only believes the Word of God? Where do these teachings appear? She's either making a personal interpretation that goes beyond Scripture (which I'm fine with her doing) and she should just say so, or she's being a false teacher by suggesting that these teachings come from Scripture. If you choose to asspciate yourself with a false teaching, that's your choice. The Holy Spirit is telling me to challenge it.
 
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