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Mendalla said:
You might want to check your FB source. FB is not exactly a hot bed of reliable information.
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It was a link to a news source. I do not recall what the news source was. I do not entirely trust the CBC though either.
 
Jae said:
It was a link to a news source. I do not recall what the news source was. I do not entirely trust the CBC though either.
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Given that they are reporting a direct statement from the company, i don't see how trust can be an issue. And if you can't even cite your source beyond a link on FB, I will happily stick with mine.

Here is the same story from Global, which is owned by Shaw and has no connection to the CBC.

Tim Hortons apologizes for Humboldt Broncos doughnut donation ‘misunderstanding’
 
Jae said:
Seems to me Timmys HQ and their local manager disagree on the exact story of the money.
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Except the local manager has never been named so could be just whoever was on duty when the journalist walked in. Perhaps he wasn't even speaking for the franchisee, let alone the chain. And, as I am sure you know from years in the corporate world, when it is Head Office versus local manager, Head Office wins and local manager nods and apologizes.
 
Mendalla said:
Given that they are reporting a direct statement from the company, i don't see how trust can be an issue. And if you can't even cite your source beyond a link on FB, I will happily stick with mine.

Here is the same story from Global, which is owned by Shaw and has no connection to the CBC.

Tim Hortons apologizes for Humboldt Broncos doughnut donation ‘misunderstanding’
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The Global report says pretty much what I did - a unit in the East was selling the donuts for profit. Yes, the national chain is doing an actual fundraising thing.
 
Jae said:
The Global report says pretty much what I did - a unit in the East was selling the donuts for profit. Yes, the national chain is doing an actual fundraising thing.
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Read any of the stories posted. In all of them, it is made clear that the chain's statement was all that all the money raised, including from that store, was going to the Broncos. From the statement from the Regional Marketing Lead:

“Of course, this restaurant will be donating 100 per cent of proceeds from this doughnut to the Humboldt Broncos Hockey Club and we apologize for the misunderstanding.”

Regardless of what the unnamed manager thought, Timmy's thinks otherwise and said manager better do as told or dust off his resume (assuming he isn't already doing so).
 
Mendalla said:
Read any of the stories posted. In all of them, it is made clear that the chain's statement was all that all the money raised, including from that store, was going to the Broncos. From the statement from the Regional Marketing Lead:

“Of course, this restaurant will be donating 100 per cent of proceeds from this doughnut to the Humboldt Broncos Hockey Club and we apologize for the misunderstanding.”
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Yes Mendalla, the _chain_ is now saying the money will go to the team. However, earlier the _manager_of_the_unit_ said otherwise. This suggests that for a time _the_unit_was_selling_the_donuts_for_profit_.
 
Carolla said:
Another aspect I've been thinking about is the HUGE gofundme collection. So from the simple action of one person starting the page - now there are multi-millions to be somehow managed, administered, distributed ... some kind of structure will be needed for this, some kind of decision making processes ... I wonder how that will get put in place & by whom - what responsibility lies with the person who began the page? What funds come from insurance coverage, what from elsewhere? Just questions and more pondering on this rainy day.
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I was thinking, I wonder if some victims families will push for better signage, four way stop, or flashing lights at this crossing, with some of the money?
 
Jae said:
It was a link to a news source. I do not recall what the news source was. I do not entirely trust the CBC though either.
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Here. Here it is, the article that I read this morning: Tim Hortons Makes Amends After Selling Humboldt Broncos Tribute Donuts and Keeping the Profits - Daily Tings

A quote, "A Fall River, Nova Scotia Tim Hortons franchise released a doughnut with green and yellow sprinkles earlier this week in support of the Humboldt Broncos. Customers were shocked when they found out the location had no intention of donating the profits and was instead done as a “gesture”.

The public outrage has led to Tim Hortons releasing a statement that claims the isolated incident was a mistake that involved the Nova Scotia location releasing the doughnut before a fundraising campaign had launched."
 
@Jae really - who cares except you? You are still just managing to make arguments out of most everything on this site. Correcting this or that, being literal beyond any sensibility. It's just noise, not a real contribution to conversation. Tiresome trolling. Go do some schoolwork or something.
 
Carolla said:
@Jae really - who cares except you? You are still just managing to make arguments out of most everything on this site. Correcting this or that, being literal beyond any sensibility. It's just noise, not a real contribution to conversation. Tiresome trolling. Go do some schoolwork or something.
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Unfair comments Carolla. When someone questions something which I have shared, I have a responsibility to defend my words. You as always have the option of not reading my posts.
 
Personally, I feel overwhelmed by media and FB coverage of the accident. I am wondering how far this will go before some other news item takes over. Truly. I doubt that most people have given much serious thought to what they are saying and doing - but I see all sorts of evidence indicating that some people are just jumping on the bandwagon. The money collected appears to be plenty to deal with the problems to be faced - and it will be over and above the insurance payouts.

There are lots of people with an emotional response that they seem to need to scratch. I have lost count of the number of individuals, groups, teams and businesses who are selling t shirts - headbands - bracelets - caps - logo items etc

No doubt the vigils were organised by folks with warm, well meaning hearts. Not sure of the value myself. I was too upset to attend but wouldn't have even if I was indifferent to the accident victims. Others have criticised me about that choice. As soon as the word got out about the vigils I found myself wondering WHY? What does an hour or two spent like that achieve? To me it seemed hasty, sentimental, almost inviting people to wallow in sadness. At the same time the people most affected were rather shut out - they were immobilised with shock and grief, or spending time supporting injured players at various hospitals. It really makes me think and wonder about dealing with this type of event.
 
KaytheCurler...The emotional response that needs to be scratched is happening here lately: Our church wants to take up a special collection for the United Church in Humboldt to help with pastoral needs. My sister says that is like taking up a collection for the local steel plant to produce steel. Becuase....isn't pastoral care part of what churches do with the funds they have? She also objects to focussing on only one church.
 
So many 'touchy' situations to think through. Lots of people here very upset that funds are being raised for Humboldt Emergency workers when they weren't on the accident scene. All the early arrivals were from STARS, and individuals and towns nearby.

My personal opinion would include the knowledge that Victim Services are in full operation. Lots of information readily available - Health services, Social services, churches, RCMP chaplains, counsellors who mainly deal with abuse cases, priests, pastors, ministers. The impression I have received is that those affected and needing/wanting support can use whatever type they prefer. Gotta be RC or United - fine. Gotta be non religious - fine. I have also heard that should there be a fee for a recognised a Counselling service it will be covered somehow (not sure where it would come from). Most things would be covered by the regular budget of the government agency, I think. I know someone who has seen counsellors three times in the privacy of their own home. My guess would be that all the family members and billet parents are being cared for already.

Not my business or choice, obviously, but I would 'vote' for doing some research first. I bet the ministers at High River would be willing to share their knowledge and experience. I think that community had more people immediately affected - though not a bunch of deaths. Has the Humboldt church been asked if they need financial assistance at this time and for this purpose? Is their minister trained and experienced with the level of counselling needed by some? Are they anticipating a big increase in people seeking out the United church's help?

Sorry -lots of words again! Hope this goes well, based on actual needs and wise use of resources rather than emotion.
 
Nancy said:
KaytheCurler...The emotional response that needs to be scratched is happening here lately: Our church wants to take up a special collection for the United Church in Humboldt to help with pastoral needs. My sister says that is like taking up a collection for the local steel plant to produce steel. Becuase....isn't pastoral care part of what churches do with the funds they have? She also objects to focussing on only one church.
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It's possible to have good pastoral care without any money spent at all. What is required is caring, trained individuals who are willing to minister with those needing such care.
 
Producing's Teal can carve up the night ... thus Ba stele and tempest in Gael domains due to tyranny ...

Bleu Ayes Crying in the Reins ...
 
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