Snoopy's Spinoff Thread: The Lord's Prayer (VU 921)

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Keep in mind that in ancient cultures, names were considered magical to a degree. You needed somebody's "true name" to enact magic on them and things like that. So this makes a certain amount of sense.

Waterfall said:
I don't know, many people protect their name from being slandered and defiled in order to be respected in communities. Even businesses rely on their name as reference.
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This is kind of the modern version, isn't it? We aren't afraid of our name being used against magically, but through gossip or bad press. As an identifier, a name becomes kind of a stand-in for ourselves.
 
Adam was given the power to name all the animals in Genesis. And didn't God rename some of the OT characters? Abram became Abraham and so on.

So there's something about names.
 
paradox3 said:
Adam was given the power to name all the animals in Genesis.
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Interestingly, humans exercise that power to this day. I mean, who knows what squirrels or whales call themselves? Those are our human names for them. Genesis is basically saying that the human name is THE name that matters.

But what about naming God? Do we have the power to name God and make that name holy or is it already holy and we honour it for being holy? And what name of God is the holy one? El? Yahweh? Christ? Allah? Some hidden name that we don't and can't know because it would give us power over God?
 
Why am I being reminded of a house of mirrors, LoL? I rather like the name Holy One for God..
 
Mendalla said:
Interestingly, humans exercise that power to this day. I mean, who knows what squirrels or whales call themselves? Those are our human names for them. Genesis is basically saying that the human name is THE name that matters.

But what about naming God? Do we have the power to name God and make that name holy or is it already holy and we honour it for being holy? And what name of God is the holy one? El? Yahweh? Christ? Allah? Some hidden name that we don't and can't know because it would give us power over God?
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YHWH or I am......without vowels, hard to say or pronounce?
 
Just thinking that we name our children and pets. And we pick our grandparent names for ourselves. There can be layers of meaning involved.
 
Waterfall said:
YHWH or I am......without vowels, hard to say or pronounce?
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I understand that Jews don't typically say it out loud. They will refer to God as HaShem which is Hebrew for "the name".

Makes me wonder exactly what Jesus was suggesting here in the second line of the prayer.
 
Here we are then. God is in heaven and God's name is holy.

Line 3: Thy kingdom come.

What does Jesus mean now? That the peoples of the earth should live according to God's commandments and follow God's leadership?

Or was Jesus talking about end times? We know him to be a Jewish apocalyptic preacher calling the people to repentance.

What do you think? The rest of the prayer seems to deal with life in the (then) present day.
 
Mendalla said:
That's why it says "thy holy name" and "Father" rather than a name, though, isn't it?
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Hmm...but Jesus actually referred to godde as Abba or "Daddy". Does that seem too intimate to describe our relationship, if there is one, with the infinite Divine?
 
There are 6 petitions addressed in this Prayer -----to Our Father in heaven ---this prayer is for God's Children ----who are in right standing with God ----the Disciples were in right standing with God ----They were God's chosen people so they could say Our Father --who art in heaven ----by our very Sin Nature we are alienated from God -----

God throne is in the 3 Heaven -----beyond the stars and planets and His domain is in the North ----

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According to the Bible, heaven is located in the north, and the north is associated with the divine:

In the Old Testament
In Leviticus 1:11, Moses says that sacrifices were offered "northward before the Lord
In Isaiah 14:13
The verse describes sitting on the "mount of assembly in the far reaches of the north"


Hallowed be thy Name ---

Greek word for Hallowed
Strong's Lexicon
hagios: Holy, sacred, set apart​
reverence and awe.

"hagios" extends beyond ritual purity to encompass ethical and moral dimensions. In the Old Testament, the Hebrew equivalent often referred to the holiness of God and His people, emphasizing separation from sin and dedication to God.
 
unsafe said:
Jesus is talking of God's kingdom to come on earth as it is in heaven ---so He is referring to the coming of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit ----
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that is one interpretation of what Jesus means. Jesus is all about the Kingdom of heaven/Kingdom of God. It could also mean a fully transformed world where justice flows down like waters and peace like an everflowing stream, where swords are turned into plowshares, where the leopard lies down with the lamb, where the hungry are fed and the rich are turned away, where the markers of those who live as kingdom people are those on the right in MAtthew 25
 
Line 4: thy will be done,

Christians throughout the ages have interpreted God's will in a variety of ways.

Could God's will be to establish God's kingdom as @GordW has outlined?

We know from the book of Malachi that God had once again become displeased with the people of Israel & the priests. Is Jesus praying for a reboot?
 
paradox3 said:
Could God's will be to establish God's kingdom as @GordW has outlined?
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I don't believe so as what Gordw has posted here

GordW said:
. It could also mean a fully transformed world
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This is the New Heaven that comes after the 7 year Tribulation that GordW is talking about and that has not come to pass yet -----But the Kingdom of God here on earth has come to pass ----so in order to be in the New Heaven --you have to be Saved ----that is have the indwelling of God in you First ---so the Kingdom coming in the Lord's Prayer is the coming of the Holy Spirit to dwell within the person so that they are saved and able to be put on the right which is the Sheep side --and then your allowed to enter God's Holy Kingdom in heaven ---
But not all people get to be on the right side ----there is the left side which GordW leaves out and they are the Goats and are kept out of God's Holy Kingdom at the end of the Tribulation -because they rejected the indwelling of God's Kingdom in the here and now ------

Matthew 25 is the separating of the sheep from the goats ------at the end of God's Wrath on this earth
 
Thy Will Be done -----

S0 we are praying that not our Will be done but God's will be done

So what is God's Will for us ?__--if we don't know what God's will is for us --How can we pray ---Thy Will be done? ----it would be meaningless unless we know what God's will is for us so we can pray it ----
 
BetteTheRed said:
I think godde's will, for humans, anyway, is that they leave the place at least a little better than they found it.
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I am sure your right here ----but we humans have screwed up so bad that I think Jesus is the only one who can fix it ----- :angel:
 
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