Snoopy's Spinoff Thread: The Lord's Prayer (VU 921)
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I think that what asking for God to forgive our trespasses in this Prayer is no longer valid --nor will God answer that call -----it is an outdated request ---
And as far as us forgiving those who trespass against us goes in this Prayer -----our sin nature is not capable of letting us totally all the time forgive others who sin against us ----so this request is futile and out dated ---
unsafe
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God is the Kingdom and the power and the glory forever -----
unsafe
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Jesus was led to be tempted by Satan to fulfil a prophecy ----
God does not lead us into Temptation ----He Tests us ------
So this request is for Protection against Temptation -----and evil -----
We have a corrupt nature and can be easily Tempted by Satan to do evil ----and again Requesting this is outdated and no longer a valid request ----
James 1:13
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Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God” [for temptation does not originate from God, but from our own flaws]; for God cannot be tempted by [what is] evil, and He Himself tempts no one.
unsafe
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This might clear it up ------the Greek word for tempt--is the same for trial or test ----they are used in the positive or negative light --see below
Strong's Lexicon
peirazó: To test, to tempt, to try, to examine
Original Word: πειράζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: peirazó
Pronunciation: pi-rad'-zo
Phonetic Spelling: (pi-rad'-zo)
Definition: To test, to tempt, to try, to examine
Meaning: I try, tempt, test.
Word Origin: From the Greek word "peira" meaning "a trial" or "an attempt."
Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: - H5254 (נָסָה, nasah): To test, to try, often used in the context of God testing the faithfulness of His people.
Usage: Peirazó is a verb used in the New Testament to describe the act of testing or trying someone or something.
It can refer to both positive testing, such as examining the quality or faithfulness of a person, and negative testing, such as tempting someone to do evil.
The context in which it is used often determines whether the connotation is positive or negative.
In a positive sense, it can refer to God testing the faith of believers to strengthen them.
In a negative sense, it can refer to Satan or evil forces tempting individuals to sin.
I say ------So in the Prayer it would be used in the Negative Sense as it is referring to Evil -----
unsafe
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With no results ---just words being said ---
paradox3
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The results of prayer and/ or meditation are sometimes inside the one who is doing the praying or meditating.
Mendalla
Happy headbanging ape!!
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As read, it says the Kingdom, power, and glory are God's, not God. Or did you miss the 's? But, yeah, that ending is pretty straightforward whatever it's provenance.
Mendalla
Happy headbanging ape!!
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And, really, that's how it should be. The external manifestations will be in how they behave and act in the world.
unsafe
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Just to clarify
This is not what this Prayer is prayed for ---it is praying for God's help and provisions in this world and all has been accomplished by Jesus on the cross ----so you need to receive Jesus in your heart now to get God's help and provisions in this world -----
Anyone who rejects Jesus is away from God according to His Word -----so praying the prayer is pointless ----
unsafe
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Ya ---Thanks Mendalla -----Better way to say it ---
"For the Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory Are Yours, Now and Forever" | The Lord’s Prayer Petition 6
The Lord’s Prayer ends like it begins, with praise to God, for God is sovereign and rules over all things. We attribute all glory and honor to God alone.
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