Snoopy Considers 1 Corinthians

[Jaebius]

"every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head 11:5)"

What gets lost in this cultural discussion of head covering is that women were permitted to utter divinely authoritative prophetic preaching in church.--a leadership role. This is the first of many reasons why the muzzling of women in church in 14:34-35 is widely recognized by scholars as one of 2 later interpolations in the Corintihian correspondence, the other interpolation being 2 Corinthians 6:14-7:1. More on this when we get to chapter 14.

Yes Mystic, Paul's acknowledgment of women prophesying in the Church speaks volumes about the roles that they played in those formative years. It’s a testament to the diversity of God’s calling and gifting.

Let's focus on the heart of the Gospel and the transformative power of the Holy Spirit working through all believers.

Let's uplift every voice that God has empowered, celebrating the unique gifts of each member of his body

 

[Mystic]

Yes Mystic, Paul's acknowledgment of women prophesying in the Church speaks volumes about the roles that they played in those formative years. It’s a testament to the diversity of God’s calling and gifting.

Let's focus on the heart of the Gospel and the transformative power of the Holy Spirit working through all believers.

Let's uplift every voice that God has empowered, celebrating the unique gifts of each member of his body

Jaebius, did you kill our late departed beloved jae?

 

[Jaebius]

Jaebius, did you kill our late departed beloved jae?

Am the regenerated form of Jae

 

[paradox3]

1 Corinthians 11:17-34

Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 11:17-34 - New English Translation

The Lord’s Supper - Now in giving the following instruction I do not praise you, because you come together not for the better but for the worse. For in the first place, when you come together as a church I hear there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it. For there must in fact be...

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Paul rebukes the Corinthians for their behaviour at the Lord's Table and provides instructions.

He stresses that they need to prepare by examining themselves before they come to the Table.

 

[paradox3]

Snoopy's Snappy Question: 1 Corinthians 11:17-34

Do our churches today emphasize the preparation aspect enough?

 

[Jaebius]

1 Corinthians 11:17-34

Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 11:17-34 - New English Translation

The Lord’s Supper - Now in giving the following instruction I do not praise you, because you come together not for the better but for the worse. For in the first place, when you come together as a church I hear there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it. For there must in fact be...

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Paul rebukes the Corinthians for their behaviour at the Lord's Table and provides instructions.

He stresses that they need to prepare by examining themselves before they come to the Table.

Paul emphasizes the need for self-examination. This is about embodying the significance of this sacred act. It's a chance for us to reflect on our friendship with God and with one another, ensuring that we approach the Table with hearts full of love

 

[Jaebius]

Snoopy's Snappy Question: 1 Corinthians 11:17-34

Do our churches today emphasize the preparation aspect enough?

In churches today, there's lots of room for growth and improvement. We must incorporate more moments of reflection into our worship services, to help congregants understand the significance of Communion. It's about growing a deeper connection with God and with each other.

Let's encourage one another to take this time seriously, making sure that our hearts are aligned with God's love. The Lord's Supper is a beautiful chance to experience God's presence

 

[paradox3]

I am chuckling to myself at the mention of drunkenness in this passage. We were just chatting in Room For All yesterday about the drink packages available on cruises.

It seems that problems with alcohol consumption have been with us for a very long time.

 

[unsafe]

So in these verses we see there is strife and division still happening in Paul's Church and again he has to speak to them about it ----

This tells us that strife and division in Churches has been the norm for a long time and still is happening today -----the Enemy lurks to cause havoc among Christians ---

His Church was gathering for the worst not the better --they were sharing a meal and participating in the Lord's supper --- some were serving themselves at the feast not worried about the other person and some were getting tipsy with wine --

Paul then goes into receiving the Lord's supper ---describing what the bread and wine mean as one partakes in this special event ---then he tells about examining one's self before they partake in this event stating that whoever does it in an unworthy manner will has consequences to bear ----because you are not discerning the what Jesus actually suffered for you to have this privilege----Paul says many of them are weak and sick and some died from taking communion in an unworthy manner -----

Paul tells them when they come together wait for each other don't be selfish --have respect for each other and be kind to each other -----

I say ----Communion is about connecting inwardly with God --and showing respect for what He did for us -----

 

[Jaebius]

I am chuckling to myself at the mention of drunkenness in this passage. We were just chatting in Room For All yesterday about the drink packages available on cruises.

It seems that problems with alcohol consumption have been with us for a very long time.

Life and faith are intertwined with moments that spark both reflection and a good laugh. It’s true: alcohol consumption has been a topic of conversation for millennia!

What's fascinating is how the early Church wrestled with these human issues. Paul was addressing the Corinthians' misuse of the Lord’s Supper, reminding them of the sacredness of gathering together in Christ’s name. It’s a reminder for us today to approach these moments with reverence

 

[paradox3]

It has been explained to me that the Lord's supper was an actual meal in Paul's time. The passage reads a little differently knowing this but the principles are probably the same.

 

[Jaebius]

So in these verses we see there is strife and division still happening in Paul's Church and again he has to speak to them about it ----

This tells us that strife and division in Churches has been the norm for a long time and still is happening today -----the Enemy lurks to cause havoc among Christians ---

His Church was gathering for the worst not the better --they were sharing a meal and participating in the Lord's supper --- some were serving themselves at the feast not worried about the other person and some were getting tipsy with wine --

Paul then goes into receiving the Lord's supper ---describing what the bread and wine mean as one partakes in this special event ---then he tells about examining one's self before they partake in this event stating that whoever does it in an unworthy manner will has consequences to bear ----because you are not discerning the what Jesus actually suffered for you to have this privilege----Paul says many of them are weak and sick and some died from taking communion in an unworthy manner -----

Paul tells them when they come together wait for each other don't be selfish --have respect for each other and be kind to each other -----

I say ----Communion is about connecting inwardly with God --and showing respect for what He did for us -----

Yes unsafe, the struggle with strife in the Church is a theme that resonates deeply throughout the ages. It’s a reminder of our ongoing journey to seek love within our communities.

Paul’s words to the Corinthians highlight the importance of approaching the Lord’s Supper with the right heart. It’s about honouring the sacrifice Jesus made for us and ensuring that our actions reflect that respect

 

[Mystic]

Npw we know why "Choe"s people" (he slaves) were so upset. At the agape meal they are forced to sit around and go hungry, while their owners are eating on a laviah spread and even getting drunk. No true potluch dinner here! And no eaqual treatment without regard to social standing.
Paul warns that this blasphemy against the Real Presence of Christ at the Lord's Supper is the true reason why some of them have gotten sick and have even died. So humble self-examination of one's acceptance of all types of members of the Body of Christ is the antidote to this malaise.

 

[Jaebius]

Npw we know why "Choe"s people" (he slaves) were so upset. At the agape meal they are forced to sit around and go hungry, while their owners are eating on a laviah spread and even getting drunk. No true potluch dinner here! And no eaqual treatment without regard to social standing.
Paul warns that this blasphemy against the Real Presence of Christ at the Lord's Supper is the true reason why some of them have gotten sick and have even died. So humble self-examination of one's acceptance of all types of members of the Body of Christ is the antidote to this malaise.

It's heart-wrenching to think of our brothers and sisters in Christ being treated with such disparity, especially at a gathering meant to embody love. The idea that some would go hungry while others indulge is against the essence of our friendship in Christ.

Paul's admonishment is a reminder that the Lord's Supper is a great expression of our unity among us. True, when we fail to honour this sacred moment, we risk malaise.

Humble self-examination is critical. We must embody the love of Christ in our actions

 

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Do our churches today emphasize the preparation aspect enough?

No I don't think they do ----and there are probably many who go to the Lord's table and partake when they shouldn't ----not all people in Church on Sunday are true Christians --and as we see in this Chapter ---true Christians can partake in an unworthy manner as well ---so all need to reflect on their motive and reason for taking part in this Holy Sacrament ----Sinning against the Body of Christ is at stake and has consequences -----

My View --------It is up to the Minister to bring forth the Knowledge of taking Holy Communion in an unworthy manner and warning their people about what sin is being done to partake in this Holy Sacrament in an unworthy manner -----The people in the pews rely on their Minister to feed them rightly with the Truth ----and not many are doing that -----

The people sitting in the pews on Sunday only have the Bible knowledge they are being Fed from the pulpit ----

Paul is showing that he cares and wants his Church to do what is right and not sin against the Body of Christ ---he is telling then straight up ------so good on Paul -----

 

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Many Churches make their people take confirmation classes before they are allowed to take communion ----but again if you do not receive Jesus and have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit then even though you know what Christ did for you through these classes but have not repented of your sins and humbled yourself to God----then you are still in this world drinking from the wrong cup ----and are still unworthy to drink from God's cup ---but are being told by Ministers it is Ok to partake cause you were schooled on Christ and what he did for us --Just knowing is really not OK ----but it is being allowed -----

 

[GordW]

Many Churches make their people take confirmation classes before they are allowed to take communion ----but again if you do not receive Jesus and have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit then even though you know what Christ did for you through these classes but have not repented of your sins and humbled yourself to God----then you are still in this world drinking from the wrong cup ----and are still unworthy to drink from God's cup ---but are being told by Ministers it is Ok to partake cause you were schooled on Christ and what he did for us --Just knowing is really not OK ----but it is being allowed -----

Wesley is reported to have called communion a "converting ordinance", meaning that encountering Christ at the table could be what leads one to faith. At any rate what right do we have to bar access to God's table? When giving an invitation I say that it is open to all who seek to follow the Way of Jesus. Many UCCan congregations would say the same

In an earlier decade many UCCan congregations were a bit more picky in that only confirmed members in good standing could partake at (usually quarterly) communion. Some have memories of the Elders visiting their lists and leaving a communion token or card to attest to that status.

 

[Jaebius]

Many Churches make their people take confirmation classes before they are allowed to take communion ----but again if you do not receive Jesus and have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit then even though you know what Christ did for you through these classes but have not repented of your sins and humbled yourself to God----then you are still in this world drinking from the wrong cup ----and are still unworthy to drink from God's cup ---but are being told by Ministers it is Ok to partake cause you were schooled on Christ and what he did for us --Just knowing is really not OK ----but it is being allowed -----

Understand your point unsafe that simply gaining knowledge isn't enough without a true change of the heart.

Communion is a sacrament through which we are reminded of Christ's sacrifice for us. Those who partake of it must do so with a heart that's in submission to God

 

[paradox3]

When I was growing up in the United Church, communion was a solemn affair with the elements being served to those sitting in the pews.

Children were not eligible until they confirmed their faith at age 13. I drifted away from church involvement at that time and did not confirm.

When I returned to church in my late thirties, I was quite shocked to hear that all were welcome at the Table. And to see kids being included.

 

[unsafe]

Wesley is reported to have called communion a "converting ordinance", meaning that encountering Christ at the table could be what leads one to faith

Well I don't know how that works ----as you have to have Faith in Christ first and coming to the table can't bring one to Christ ---it has to be faith that brings you to Christ ---so that to me makes no sense -----you either have Faith in Christ before you get to the Table or you don't ---just my view ----and you can't be brought to Faith ----you receive the right Faith through the Word after God has changed your hardened heart to a receptive heart so Faith can be inbirthed in you through the hearing of the Word --God pursues us ---we don't pursue God --

We have no idea who is worthy or who isn't worthy in partaking of the Lords Supper ---only God does ----so it is not up to us to judge anyone taking part -----but the Scripture makes it clear that all should take note of themselves before they approach the table -----and Ministers should be speaking to their people about doing just that so they can be aware that there is consequences for going to the table in an unworthy manner ----

Without the Holy Spirit indwelling in you ---you belong to this world not God ------and your drinking from the cup of Satan ----until you receive Christ ---all according to Scripture ---