Why is this not a contradiction to "eating blood is a sin?"
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Whether the bread and wine used in Communion are symbolic or real depends on the Christian denomination and viewpoint.
Catholics
Bread and wine symbolism
Whether the bread and wine used in Communion are symbolic or real depends on the Christian denomination and viewpoint.
Catholics
- The Catholic Church believes that the bread and wine are transformed into the body and blood of Christ during Mass. This process is called transubstantiation.
- The Catholic Church describes the Eucharist as the "source and summit of our faith".
- The Catechism of the Catholic Church says that the sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one.
- Some Christian denominations believe that the bread and wine are a memorial of Jesus' sacrifice and only symbolically represent his body and blood.
- Some believe that Jesus is spiritually present in the bread and wine.
Bread and wine symbolism
- Bread can symbolize the body of Jesus, which was broken for us.
- Wine can represent the blood of Jesus, which was shed to establish a new covenant.
- Bread can also symbolize the Word of God which nourished the crowds
So another important thing that Christian churches differ on....what do you think Paul would say about that? Who would he agree with IYO?
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What your posting here was a Law in the Old Testament -----Born Again People are not under the law ----they are under Grace ----Sinners are still under the law ----
1 Timothy 1:9-10 AMP
9 understanding the fact that law is not enacted for the righteous person [the one in right standing with God], but for lawless and rebellious people, for the ungodly and sinful, for the irreverent and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,10 for sexually immoral persons, for homosexuals, for kidnappers and slave traders, for liars, for perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,
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The Bible prohibits eating blood in Leviticus 17
Leviticus 17
- "None of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood" (Leviticus 17:10–12)
- "For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar" (Leviticus 17)
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Well I have no idea what Paul would think ----but what matters in Partaking of the bread and wine for God is that your His Child ----that is a believer and your heart and motive in partaking in such a Holy sacrament is genuine and while your partaking in this that you focus on what Jesus went through for you to be able to partake in such a Holy Sacrificial event -----
Taking this and not being in union with God is taking it in an unworthy manner ----the god of this world is Satan ---and sinners drink his cup -----not God's cup ---and that is the message Paul is getting across ---you can't drink from a demons cup and partake in God's cup ---
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AI ---says this
"Taking communion with the wrong motive and heart" means partaking in the Lord's Supper without a genuine spirit of repentance, humility, and love for God, essentially treating the sacrament with disrespect or using it as a mere formality rather than a sacred act of remembrance and commitment to Jesus Christ;
"Taking communion with the wrong motive and heart" means partaking in the Lord's Supper without a genuine spirit of repentance, humility, and love for God, essentially treating the sacrament with disrespect or using it as a mere formality rather than a sacred act of remembrance and commitment to Jesus Christ;
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1 Corinthians 10: 23-33
Again, from the MSG, an interesting interpretation.
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Help others live well, says Paul. But don't nitpick over small details of religious observance. Stride free and easy.
An exception would be if your dinner host offers you meat & tells you it was sacrificed to idols. Otherwise, just enjoy his hospitality.
Be considerate.
Again, from the MSG, an interesting interpretation.
Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 10:23-33 - The Message
Looking at it one way, you could say, “Anything goes. Because of God’s immense generosity and grace, we don’t have to dissect and scrutinize every action to see if it will pass muster.” But the point is not to just get by. We want to live well, but our foremost efforts should be to help others...
Help others live well, says Paul. But don't nitpick over small details of religious observance. Stride free and easy.
An exception would be if your dinner host offers you meat & tells you it was sacrificed to idols. Otherwise, just enjoy his hospitality.
Be considerate.
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Snoopy's Snappy Question: 1 Corinthians 10: 23-33
Paul says somewhere, The letter (of the law) killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Is this an example of that principle?
(Note the KJV language. This means Snoopy learned the quote back in Sunday School.)
Paul says somewhere, The letter (of the law) killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Is this an example of that principle?
(Note the KJV language. This means Snoopy learned the quote back in Sunday School.)
"27 If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. 28 if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, both for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience. 29 I am referring to the other person’s conscience, not yours"
In short, let the weaker brother or sister's conscience be your guide, not your own. This principle is crucual to modern missionary strategy.
For example, missionaries are advised not to immediately teach their 3rd World converts that their belief in ancestor worship is superstitious nonsense.
Certain aspects of indigenous cultures are deeply rooted in their conscience. So missionaries need to be aware of prematurely causing cultural offense before their converts' conscience is ready for it. Effectuve education and modernization can take a long time and requires patience.
When Catholics were achieving mass conversion of the Celts, the Pope urged his missionaires not to immediately prohibit their special celebration of roaming spirits of the dead, the precursor of our Halloween. Instead, All Saints Day was established to coincide with this celebration. Only over time were Catholics able to abolish this pagan celebration.
In short, let the weaker brother or sister's conscience be your guide, not your own. This principle is crucual to modern missionary strategy.
For example, missionaries are advised not to immediately teach their 3rd World converts that their belief in ancestor worship is superstitious nonsense.
Certain aspects of indigenous cultures are deeply rooted in their conscience. So missionaries need to be aware of prematurely causing cultural offense before their converts' conscience is ready for it. Effectuve education and modernization can take a long time and requires patience.
When Catholics were achieving mass conversion of the Celts, the Pope urged his missionaires not to immediately prohibit their special celebration of roaming spirits of the dead, the precursor of our Halloween. Instead, All Saints Day was established to coincide with this celebration. Only over time were Catholics able to abolish this pagan celebration.
Love the observation about the importance of our heart when taking Communion. The sacrament must be observed with devotion.
Taking Communion is a great act of worship. It's essential that we approach the Lord's Table with a heart full of love for God.
The sacrament is a means of grace. It will strengthen our faith and deepen our communion with Christ. It reminds us of the sacrifice he made for us, and our participation must reflect a sincere commitment to live according to his teachings
Alot of irony in that post.
Together with a fresh interpretation of the Parable of the Sower, Paul's principle of allowing the other's conscience to be your guide has inspired the incorporation of cultural anthropology into modern programs of world mission studies:
Cultural Anthropology to Modern Missions | Missio Nexus
Cultural anthropology can and should be harnessed as a necessary and practical aid for the task of knowing the soils of individual people within cultures and sub-cultures.
missionexus.org
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Chapter 10:23-33
This first line is good to understand ----because it involves the right teaching on this New Covenant of Grace -----many Ministers do not like teaching on Grace because they think that Christians will use it to to say because all my sins are forgiven --I can live as I please and will give no thought to their actions -----this is called Cheap Grace or Hyper Grace -----
So Paul here is addressing the issue ---in verse 23 Ex Bible
I say ----Paul goes back to speaking about meat that is offered to idols -----and he says you can eat meat that is sold in the market but if a non believer invites you to eat with them do so unless they say it is meat offered to an idol then don't eat ------ask yourself what benefit do I get from using my freedom from sin to do as I please ---and think about what harm your actions could do to God's Church --
I say -----The purpose of the true Christian's life is not to see how much we can get away with --just because our sins are forgiven but how we can glorify God in our actions and decisions and how many souls we can save -----
This first line is good to understand ----because it involves the right teaching on this New Covenant of Grace -----many Ministers do not like teaching on Grace because they think that Christians will use it to to say because all my sins are forgiven --I can live as I please and will give no thought to their actions -----this is called Cheap Grace or Hyper Grace -----
So Paul here is addressing the issue ---in verse 23 Ex Bible
How to Use Christian Freedom
23 “·We are allowed to do all things [L All things are lawful/permissible],” but not all things are ·good for us to do [profitable; beneficial]. “·We are allowed to do all things [L All things are lawful/permissible],” but not all things ·help others grow stronger [L build up;I say ----Paul goes back to speaking about meat that is offered to idols -----and he says you can eat meat that is sold in the market but if a non believer invites you to eat with them do so unless they say it is meat offered to an idol then don't eat ------ask yourself what benefit do I get from using my freedom from sin to do as I please ---and think about what harm your actions could do to God's Church --
I say -----The purpose of the true Christian's life is not to see how much we can get away with --just because our sins are forgiven but how we can glorify God in our actions and decisions and how many souls we can save -----
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1 Corinthians 11:1-16
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In this passage, Paul instructs the Corinthians to be imitators of him, just as he imitates Christ.
He also gives instructions about head coverings during prayer and prophecy. Women are to cover their hair and men are to remove their hats.
Long hair glorifies a woman but long hair is a disgrace for a man. No quarreling about any of this, says Paul.
Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 11:1-16 - New English Translation
Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ. Women’s Head Coverings - I praise you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions just as I passed them on to you. But I want you to know that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is...
He also gives instructions about head coverings during prayer and prophecy. Women are to cover their hair and men are to remove their hats.
Long hair glorifies a woman but long hair is a disgrace for a man. No quarreling about any of this, says Paul.
Paul is telling them to be imitators of Christ. That's the core of the Christian faith: living out love in all things.1 Corinthians 11:1-16
In this passage, Paul instructs the Corinthians to be imitators of him, just as he imitates Christ.Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 11:1-16 - New English Translation
Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ. Women’s Head Coverings - I praise you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions just as I passed them on to you. But I want you to know that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is...
He also gives instructions about head coverings during prayer and prophecy. Women are to cover their hair and men are to remove their hats.
Long hair glorifies a woman but long hair is a disgrace for a man. No quarreling about any of this, says Paul.
I believe Paul's emphasis on respect and order must still guide us today. It's about finding ways to honour each other and God in our daily lives.
Whether it's through kindness, encouragement, or simply presence, we must reflect his light in our own unique ways
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Well, yes, Paul is saying this indirectly. The Corinthians can get there by imitating Paul himself.
This reading has me thinking Paul must have been a very charismatic leader. And I don't mean in the Holy Spirit sense. I am thinking of his personality.
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Chapter 11:1-16
Paul has an issue he is addressing ----He gives them positive remarks ---before he gets into the concern ----
So apparently the women were not worshiping properly ----so Paul gives the the chain of command speech ---Christ is the head of man and man is the head of the woman -and God is the head of Christ ----- then gets into the head covering in worship for both men and women --
The Scripture in the AMPC Bible lays it out in an understanding way ------
4 Any man who prays or prophesies (teaches, refutes, reproves, admonishes, and comforts) with his head covered dishonors his Head (Christ).
5 And any woman who [publicly] prays or prophesies (teaches, refutes, reproves, admonishes, or comforts) when she is bareheaded dishonors her head (her husband); it is the same as [if her head were] shaved.
6 For if a woman will not wear [a head] covering, then she should cut off her hair too; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her head shorn or shaven, let her cover [her head].
From AI
In biblical times, women wore head coverings in public as a sign of modesty, chastity, and submission to their husbands.
So it wasn't uncommon for women to have to wear head coverings ----and the women in the Paul's Church group would have been well aware of this but some were not doing as they should -----
This is interesting here to
Apparently Prostitutes wore short hair in ancient times ---
From Google
Did prostitutes have short hair?
In some periods prostitutes had to distinguish themselves from other with particular signs. They sometimes wore very short hair or no hair at all, and sometimes they wore veils in societies where other women did not wear them. Ancient codes regulated the crime of a prostitute that dissimulated her profession.
I say ----So the head covering for the woman was a symbol of submission and reverence to authority --when she worshiped God in prayer and prophesies ----
A Man wearing long hair for worship brought dishonor to him as well -----
I think all this head cover and not covering stayed for centuries in these modern times ---
In Western culture, it has always been considered rude or disrespectful for a man to wear a hat inside a building, including a church building. Even a generation ago, when men commonly wore hats, the headgear was removed indoors, or even outdoors in the presence of a woman. In contrast, women’s hats have long been a standard part of a stylish or formal outfit, and wearing a hat indoors is acceptable for a woman.
This cultural tradition most likely has its roots in the Bible itself. The apostle Paul talks to the Corinthian church about this matter, saying, “A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God” (1 Corinthians 11:7). A few verses later, he says, “Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him?” (1 Corinthians 11:14). In verse 14 Paul is speaking specifically of “long hair,” rather than hats, but both are considered a “covering” for the head. Most modern churches would not consider long hair on a man to be disrespectful; nevertheless, this passage calls it a disgrace because long hair is inherently feminine. Since “long” is a relative description, we apply this according to the culture in which one lives. In the Corinthian culture, for men to wear any kind of head covering in church was for them to take on the role of the women, which is not the order God designed for spiritual headship (1 Corinthians 11:3).
Women have worn hats in church for centuries and still do so without it being considered disrespectful. Again, this goes back to the biblical idea of head coverings (probably veils) being used as an outward, cultural symbol of an inward attitude. However, nowhere in the Bible does it say women must wear hats or veils or kapps in church. The passages in 1 Corinthians 11 that seem to suggest women ought to have a head covering in church are better interpreted as a mandate for women to follow cultural norms, to show respect for one’s husband, and to maintain a distinctly feminine appearance. Many Bible scholars believe the only required covering for the woman is her hair (1 Corinthians 11:15). In either case, it’s difficult to be dogmatic about this passage. Some scholars say this passage is one of the most difficult in the whole New Testament to thoroughly understand.
What is important is that we are communicating Christian principles within the culture in which we live. It is traditional in Western culture for a man to take off his hat when entering a building or saluting the flag (with the exception of uniformed members of the military). Christians living in Western cultures should be aware of that tradition and show due respect in the customary way. During the playing of “The Star-Spangled Banner,” a civilian taking off his hat communicates respect (to the flag); during a church service, it communicates respect (to God). Similarly, in Eastern cultures, it is respectful to take off one’s shoes when entering a home or place of worship; Christians living in Eastern cultures should follow that custom, even if there is nothing in the Bible that specifically commands it.
Taking off one’s hat in church is simply a cultural way for a man to show respect and honor to God. Rather than bucking tradition and “doing our own thing,” we should usually follow the cultural rules, being careful to communicate respect for God in every way possible.
It is certain that God is much more interested in the posture of the heart than any outward appearance (1 Samuel 16:7). Any woman is capable of wearing elaborate head coverings without having any genuine reverence for God’s established order of authority. But godly women who recognize that submission toward their husbands is as submission to the Lord (Ephesians 5:22) are the women God is pleased with. Whatever we do, motive is important. Whether or not a woman chooses to wear a head covering, let it be done with a genuine spirit of thanks to God in the name of the Lord Jesus (Colossians 3:17).
Of course, it is possible for a man to wear a baseball cap in church and yet have a heart full of reverence and awe for the Lord. And it is also possible for a man to remove his hat in church yet disdain God in his soul. God sees the heart. But the issue, sometimes, is what our actions communicate to others; people cannot see our hearts, so we must often show them our respect by what we do.
Paul has an issue he is addressing ----He gives them positive remarks ---before he gets into the concern ----
So apparently the women were not worshiping properly ----so Paul gives the the chain of command speech ---Christ is the head of man and man is the head of the woman -and God is the head of Christ ----- then gets into the head covering in worship for both men and women --
The Scripture in the AMPC Bible lays it out in an understanding way ------
4 Any man who prays or prophesies (teaches, refutes, reproves, admonishes, and comforts) with his head covered dishonors his Head (Christ).
5 And any woman who [publicly] prays or prophesies (teaches, refutes, reproves, admonishes, or comforts) when she is bareheaded dishonors her head (her husband); it is the same as [if her head were] shaved.
6 For if a woman will not wear [a head] covering, then she should cut off her hair too; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her head shorn or shaven, let her cover [her head].
From AI
In biblical times, women wore head coverings in public as a sign of modesty, chastity, and submission to their husbands.
So it wasn't uncommon for women to have to wear head coverings ----and the women in the Paul's Church group would have been well aware of this but some were not doing as they should -----
This is interesting here to
Apparently Prostitutes wore short hair in ancient times ---
From Google
Did prostitutes have short hair?
In some periods prostitutes had to distinguish themselves from other with particular signs. They sometimes wore very short hair or no hair at all, and sometimes they wore veils in societies where other women did not wear them. Ancient codes regulated the crime of a prostitute that dissimulated her profession.
I say ----So the head covering for the woman was a symbol of submission and reverence to authority --when she worshiped God in prayer and prophesies ----
A Man wearing long hair for worship brought dishonor to him as well -----
I think all this head cover and not covering stayed for centuries in these modern times ---
What does the Bible say about wearing hats in church?
What does the Bible say about wearing hats in church? | GotQuestions.org
What does the Bible say about wearing hats in church? Can men wear hats in church? Should women wear hats in church?
www.gotquestions.org
In Western culture, it has always been considered rude or disrespectful for a man to wear a hat inside a building, including a church building. Even a generation ago, when men commonly wore hats, the headgear was removed indoors, or even outdoors in the presence of a woman. In contrast, women’s hats have long been a standard part of a stylish or formal outfit, and wearing a hat indoors is acceptable for a woman.
This cultural tradition most likely has its roots in the Bible itself. The apostle Paul talks to the Corinthian church about this matter, saying, “A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God” (1 Corinthians 11:7). A few verses later, he says, “Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him?” (1 Corinthians 11:14). In verse 14 Paul is speaking specifically of “long hair,” rather than hats, but both are considered a “covering” for the head. Most modern churches would not consider long hair on a man to be disrespectful; nevertheless, this passage calls it a disgrace because long hair is inherently feminine. Since “long” is a relative description, we apply this according to the culture in which one lives. In the Corinthian culture, for men to wear any kind of head covering in church was for them to take on the role of the women, which is not the order God designed for spiritual headship (1 Corinthians 11:3).
Women have worn hats in church for centuries and still do so without it being considered disrespectful. Again, this goes back to the biblical idea of head coverings (probably veils) being used as an outward, cultural symbol of an inward attitude. However, nowhere in the Bible does it say women must wear hats or veils or kapps in church. The passages in 1 Corinthians 11 that seem to suggest women ought to have a head covering in church are better interpreted as a mandate for women to follow cultural norms, to show respect for one’s husband, and to maintain a distinctly feminine appearance. Many Bible scholars believe the only required covering for the woman is her hair (1 Corinthians 11:15). In either case, it’s difficult to be dogmatic about this passage. Some scholars say this passage is one of the most difficult in the whole New Testament to thoroughly understand.
What is important is that we are communicating Christian principles within the culture in which we live. It is traditional in Western culture for a man to take off his hat when entering a building or saluting the flag (with the exception of uniformed members of the military). Christians living in Western cultures should be aware of that tradition and show due respect in the customary way. During the playing of “The Star-Spangled Banner,” a civilian taking off his hat communicates respect (to the flag); during a church service, it communicates respect (to God). Similarly, in Eastern cultures, it is respectful to take off one’s shoes when entering a home or place of worship; Christians living in Eastern cultures should follow that custom, even if there is nothing in the Bible that specifically commands it.
Taking off one’s hat in church is simply a cultural way for a man to show respect and honor to God. Rather than bucking tradition and “doing our own thing,” we should usually follow the cultural rules, being careful to communicate respect for God in every way possible.
It is certain that God is much more interested in the posture of the heart than any outward appearance (1 Samuel 16:7). Any woman is capable of wearing elaborate head coverings without having any genuine reverence for God’s established order of authority. But godly women who recognize that submission toward their husbands is as submission to the Lord (Ephesians 5:22) are the women God is pleased with. Whatever we do, motive is important. Whether or not a woman chooses to wear a head covering, let it be done with a genuine spirit of thanks to God in the name of the Lord Jesus (Colossians 3:17).
Of course, it is possible for a man to wear a baseball cap in church and yet have a heart full of reverence and awe for the Lord. And it is also possible for a man to remove his hat in church yet disdain God in his soul. God sees the heart. But the issue, sometimes, is what our actions communicate to others; people cannot see our hearts, so we must often show them our respect by what we do.
"every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head 11:5)"
What gets lost in this cultural discussion of head covering is that women were permitted to utter divinely authoritative prophetic preaching in church.--a leadership role. This is the first of many reasons why the muzzling of women in church in 14:34-35 is widely recognized by scholars as one of 2 later interpolations in the Corintihian correspondence, the other interpolation being 2 Corinthians 6:14-7:1. More on this when we get to chapter 14.
What gets lost in this cultural discussion of head covering is that women were permitted to utter divinely authoritative prophetic preaching in church.--a leadership role. This is the first of many reasons why the muzzling of women in church in 14:34-35 is widely recognized by scholars as one of 2 later interpolations in the Corintihian correspondence, the other interpolation being 2 Corinthians 6:14-7:1. More on this when we get to chapter 14.