Seriously God, you chose them??????

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Neo said:
And this what Shri Krishna meant in the Bhagavad Gita when, speaking for God, he said "Having pervaded this whole universe with a fragment of Myself, I remain." God gives life, i.e. the "whole universe" as just a fragment of Himself, yet God remains.
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Which is a very nice statement of panentheism, really. The whole Gita reads very well in light of that particular theology although panentheism as a formal theological idea is much, much newer than the Gita.
 
Mendalla said:
Right. "The bread that GIVES life", not "The bread that IS life". There is a semantic difference there. I have no problem with Jesus' statement, but that's not what ac said. God as the source of life makes perfect sense but it is not the as saying God is life.
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What about John 14:6, "Jesus said, 'I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one can go to the Father except by Me. "
 
The idea that manifested Life comes from God rather being God Itself is also why the Buddhists are considered to be atheists. Because, they believe, as soon as one says "this" is God or "that" is God, then one limits God to this or that. They believe the Universe to be but a reflection of "the Absolute, the Unknown", and not God Itself.

The Book of Genesis implies the same thing by saying there was no physical life before there was. In Genesis 1.2 "the earth", a word surely representing the manifested Universe of form, "was formless and empty" and "darkness was upon the deep". In other words, darkness precedes light. The "Elohim", God, "hovered above the face of the water", where water could represent chaos and be another word for formless or the deep.

Science also agrees, (kind of), with this hypothesis in it's understanding of the Big Bang, or some other kind of manifestation from nothing. Science can only speculate what came before the Big Bang, to them it's a great unknown or darkness where even time was created along side of light and space.

In the Secret Doctrine the time before Creation was described eloquently in these beginning words:
Cosmic Evolution Stanza 1.1 to 1.5 said:
1. The eternal parent wrapped in her ever invisible robes had slumbered once again for seven eternities.

2. Time was not, for it lay asleep in the infinite bosom of duration.

5. Universal mind was not, for there were no Ah-hi to con- tain it.

4. The seven ways to bliss were not. The great causes of misery were not, for there was no one to produce and get ensnared by them.

5. Darkness alone filled the boundless all, for father, mother and son were once more one, and the son had not awakened yet for the new wheel, and his pilgrimage thereon.
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I love that last line where "father, mother and son were once more one, and the son had not awakened yet for the new wheel". The three where hidden in the one.
 
Jae said:
What about John 14:6, "Jesus said, 'I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one can go to the Father except by Me. "
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Could this claim simply mean that we all need to find the "Christ within" in order to approach the Father? In others words Christ paved a way that all of us must eventually traverse.
 
Mendalla said:
God is Life? Or God gives Life? It is the same question I pose to those who say "God is Love". Do you really mean they are synonymous? Or just that God is the ultimate source of Life?

If the God=Life then how is your faith different from a pantheist who says God is All and All is God?
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--Yes Mendalla GOD is life . Without God nothing lives " have a look at what Happens when Christ returns. Not just Mankind kneels. All life All ' that is the 'Air. All that is in the Sea ' All that is on the land ' Bow's.There is nothing that lives' that that don't know GOD.

John1:2
 
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Mendalla ---this is airclean's comment from post 326 -----I will say GOD is LIFE. airclean33

unsafe says
airclean33 has not explained what he meant by this ----you have surmised or perceived what airclean33 actually means by this statement in your own mind by your human reasoning -----

unsafe says
this is from scripture posted below John 1 -----verse 4-----4 In Him was life [and the power to bestow life], and the life was the Light of men.


This is interesting as well ------read all here

The Knowledge of Life, Chapter 1

. ONLY THE LIFE OF GOD IS LIFE

God’s life is eternal because it is divine. In the whole universe, only God’s life is both divine and eternal; therefore, only God’s life is considered life.

What does divine mean? Being divine means being of God, having the nature of God, or being transcendent and distinctive from all others. Only God is God, only God has the nature of God, and only God is transcendent and distinctive; therefore, only God is divine. The life of God is God Himself


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John 1 (AMP)

The Deity of Jesus Christ
1 In the beginning [before all time] was the Word Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.

2 He was [continually existing] in the beginning [co-eternally] with God.

3 All things were made and came into existence through Him; and without Him not even one thing was made that has come into being.

4 In Him was life [and the power to bestow life], and the life was the Light of men.


unsafe says and posted scripture

Here is another scripture Mendalla -------verse 2---2 the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us—unsafe says who was manifested ----God is life who was manifested



1 John 1 (NKJV)
What Was Heard, Seen, and Touched

1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life— 2 the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us— 3 that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things we write to you that your joy may be full.
5 The Light shines on in the darkness, and the darkness did not understand it or overpower it or appropriate it or absorb it [and is unreceptive to it
 
Mendalla said:
God is Life? Or God gives Life? It is the same question I pose to those who say "God is Love". Do you really mean they are synonymous? Or just that God is the ultimate source of Life?

If the God=Life then how is your faith different from a pantheist who says God is All and All is God?
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Hi Mendalla is there something in The Word of GOD that shows GOD is not in control of?
No trees no plants nothing in the air" Nothing the sea. 'Nothing on the Land "Nothing in the
heavaen''s.
 
Jae said:
What about John 14:6, "Jesus said, 'I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one can go to the Father except by Me. "
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So what happened to Jesus when He went back to be with God, did He become God again and melt back together, or did He remain separate as a human? I mean, shouldn't just going straight to God be sufficient now?
 
airclean33 said:
Hi Mendalla is there something in The Word of GOD that shows GOD is not in control of?
No trees no plants nothing in the air" Nothing the sea. 'Nothing on the Land "Nothing in the
heavaen''s.
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Hi,

An author may write a book. That author has no control over how the book will be read or represented.

The Spirit of God is like the wind. This wind animates much. It affects much. It controls nothing.

What we see in any interpretation of the text is the interpreter. Sad when that interpreter assumes control over the interpreted text; claiming to be the arbiter of the text's meaning and implication.

Here is a text by which I was inspired and encouraged: "Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman who needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."

George
 
Waterfall said:
So what happened to Jesus when He went back to be with God, did He become God again and melt back together, or did He remain separate as a human? I mean, shouldn't just going straight to God be sufficient now?
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He never stopped being God. At the same time, he is now a glorified human being who sits at the right hand of God. He is the intermediary between us and God.
 
Neo said:
The idea that manifested Life comes from God rather being God Itself is also why the Buddhists are considered to be atheists. Because, they believe, as soon as one says "this" is God or "that" is God, then one limits God to this or that. They believe the Universe to be but a reflection of "the Absolute, the Unknown", and not God Itself.
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I would suggest that Buddhism is non-theistic rather than a-theistic, in that its basic principles and worldview don't require a god. I don't believe, however, that Buddhism necessarily rejects the existence of a god or gods or God.

To me, "The idea that manifested Life comes from God rather being God" is a fair summary of what Christianity teaches, so I'm not sure why it would be considered atheistic.
 
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