airclean33 said:
You know John I hate keep , telling a Minister they are teaching Wrong?
Actually airclean33, I don't know that you hate telling a Minister that they are wrong at all. I don't even suspect that it is true that you hate telling any Minister that they are wrong. I actually think you take great pride in telling others, particularly Ministers, that they are wrong.
airclean33 said:
Of course John your Wrong ",once more"
You are aware that you are not the sole arbiter of right and wrong are you not? Just because you believe someone is wrong does not make them wrong. Particularly when you demonstrate that you do not understand what has been said. Your failure to understand doesn't make me wrong. It means you fail to understand.
airclean33 said:
Did you not read, what I sent to black belt ?
I have been following the conversation. You are not convincing or compelling. Not only that you rarely stop to listen to what others say to you in return.
airclean33 said:
Ha..Ha-----So you believe ,Neo and me Teach The Same Thing.
Ha ha. No, I don't.
Ha ha. I never even said that you teach the same thing.
Ha ha. I said you share on the same level.
Ha ha. How can you read that and decide you have to leap to such an erroneous understanding.
Ha ha. It is like you don't even read what is being said.
Ha ha. It is like you imagined I said something very different from what I actually posted.
Which for the ha ha record was this,
revjohn said:
At most, he operates on a similar level to airclean33. He shares what he knows about what he believes.
Ha ha. Notice the word I used was "shared" not "teach?"
Ha ha. Notice that I said share about what he believes.
Ha ha. You share what you believe. Doesn't make you a prophet, and you share so badly you don't qualify as a teacher.
Ha ha. Neo shares what he believes. Doesn't make him a prophet either. I suspect he has convinced the same number of people to see things from his perspective that you have.
Ha ha. Don't feel bad about that I don't think many of us have managed to convince any other to completely abandon the understandings they entered WonderCafe.ca or Wondercafe2 with in favour of some perspective very different from their own.
Ha ha. Some are better at carrying on a respectful and coherent conversation.
Ha ha. Some are even capable of understanding what others post to them.
airclean33 said:
Come on John can't you do better than this?
I can do better. Anyone who reads what I posts and understands what I post knows I have done better. The one in the conversation who isn't doing better, in fact, isn't even doing well. That person is you.
airclean33 said:
Neo has said he, was a Christion.
News to me.
And even if he did make the claim it is clear that most of what he studies is not Christianity nor taught by Christians. He likes to examine scriptures and comment on them but he doesn't come at most texts from anything other than a gnostic perspective and the Christian Church declared Gnosticism heretical ages ago. He stands on the outside.
Doesn't mean we cannot talk. Doesn't even mean that we can't learn from him.
Apart from that he makes no prophecy that can be tested.
airclean33 said:
Yet he teaches another way to come to GOD. I guess you haven't noted this?
You'd have to be pretty thick not to notice it. That doesn't make him a false prophet. It puts him outside of Christianity. If he was Jewish, he wouldn't be a false prophet. If he were Muslim he wouldn't be a false prophet. If he were Buddhist he wouldn't be a false prophet.
He would be different and we would be free to disagree.
And any who bothered to note the history of our interaction (Neo's and Mine) would find that I hardly ever agree with him on his theological interpretations of scripture. I probably agree with him less that I agree with you and those familiar with our interaction (yours and mine) find that you and I rarely agree on interpretation either. Which doesn't mean that I think you are a false prophet. I don't find you prophetic at all. And the disagreement, most of that could rightly earn you the label of heretic, if you were a teacher or any consequence.
The fact that you share here means that you can be wrong and it carries very little consequence.
airclean33 said:
Here again John , are you say it is ok for a Person, to say what they think" . That is ok if your not a Christian an your name is not Airclean ?
Everyone here, including you is free to say what they think. You are. Neo is. I am.
Nobody here is free to say what they think and remain immune from critique. You aren't. Neo isn't. I am not.
And I'm willing to dig through archives to find out just how many times you have decided that you felt free to slander me if you want to go through and find out how many times I have slandered you. Not just disagreed mind you because that would take hours upon hours and in the end means nothing. I'm talking about the times you called me a liar and insinuated that I had been drinking stuff like that.
airclean33 said:
But I will mark it down, you still have a right to post as You see things' When you and I face GOD " one day. I am sure He will see who is right.
Why do you need to mark that down? When you get so see God face to face are you going to whip out a long list of complaints about people who disagree with you that God needs to discipline? Does God really dance to your tune like that?
I don't intend to write anything down. God's memory and perspective are greater than mine and if the Holy Spirit convicts me that I owe anyone an apology I will give it to them.
airclean33 said:
Do you really Believe a False--Prophet will announce himself or herself??
They aren't much of a Prophet if they don't right? Eventually, they have to come and say, "thus sayeth the Lord" or something very close to that because the power of a false prophet is very much like the power of the prophet. Both claim to speak for God. We know one is true because what he says God has said comes to pass while the false prophet makes claims about Gods saying this or that and those things never happen.
At least, that is what scripture teaches so if you want to teach something different than that. Go ahead. Just don't claim that what you are doing is speaking on God's behalf.
airclean33 said:
Do you believe you come back as another person, again and again.
I do not. And I have spoken with Neo about that and made it pretty clear that I disagree with him. At the end of the day that means that we believe differently. That doesn't make him a false prophet to me nor does it make me a false prophet to him. It means we disagree.
airclean33 said:
This once more dose not mean Noe can't post as he feels. I believe other Christians should no an understand this".
I'm pretty sure most Christians are aware that reincarnation is not a part of Christian theology. But if you feel that Christians aren't aware of that then what you can say, respectfully, is that reincarnation is not a Christian belief. You don't have to proclaim him a false prophet.
airclean33 said:
Well John I can hardly believe you post this here.
I expect that comes as a shock to absolutely nobody.
airclean33 said:
I Agree Neo dose not follow Christianity I believe this is what we are taking about.
And yet you insist he is a false prophet. Do you even listen to yourself? I mean, if you don't that makes a lot of sense why you wouldn't listen to anyone else.
airclean33 said:
I explain up top he Neo said he follow Christ but also had other beliefs.
You say you are Born Again. You have shared some beliefs which don't find a lot of support within Christianity. You have had that pointed out to you on occasion. Remember anyone calling you a false prophet for doing that? Millions of Americans claim Trump is a Christian leader. Use your own discernment.
What Neo may claim and the faith that Neo frequently shares are not Christian. Even though he makes reference to christ he does not understand Jesus the Christ as Christians do and his understanding of the Christ is very different from a Jewish perspective. His use of the term "Christ" does not rest on an understanding of "annointing" so much as it rests on an understanding of "enlightenment."
Strictly speaking Christianity assigns a new definition to the terms Meshiach and Christos when claiming Christ is either. The terms existed before Jesus and as you are aware the vast majority of Judaism doesn't see Jesus as being a fit for the term because they don't see the Messianic age that was supposed to follow the arrival of the Messiah.
The problem comes when you do not realize that there are more understandings of christos and meshiach that do not point to the person of Jesus and you insist that everytime somebody mentions either they must mean Jesus as Christianity has basically always understood him.
The same kind of people nearly go apoplectic when the word myth is used when discussing scripture or someone insists that scripture was never intended to be read literally from Genesis to Revelation.
You may be worried that some new Christian coming into WC2 might think Neo is a Christian. I do not share that same concern. Frankly, I think Neo does a pretty good job of demonstrating that he is not a Christian and does not hold Christian beliefs.
airclean33 said:
So you think I am ignorant for pointing out That Neo is not only looking some what like a Christian," but is not.
I think you are ignorant for claiming Neo to be a false prophet. I think I was clear in communicating that. I think it is ignorant because it is pretty clear that whatever God it is that Neo is talking about it isn't one that is identifiably Christian or Jewish. If I thought that Neo spent any time posting here saying, "this is what Christians believe" or even "this is what must be believed to be Christian" I would happily disagree and present a different perspective.
Neo, from my experience, doesn't do that at all.
I think it is just as clear that he feels what he believes is just as certain as you feel about your belief and I feel about mine. That doesn't make him false. At most it makes him different.
You and I disagree. That doesn't make either one of us false.
airclean33 said:
airclean33 said:
GOD , not pointing this out to Christians coming on line, who Neo is. Not doing His duty.
I don't hover on WC2 pointing out to Christians on line when I think you are wrong either. When we have a discussion and we disagree I do my best to offer my understanding of the text. I don't claim to be Born Again as if theological conversation is a game of Euchre and Born Again is always the right bower. And if that is your testimony about yourself how compelling is it going to be for others?
When I am in a conversation with Neo and I disagree with him I am not shy about making that known. The fact that I can do that without calling him a false prophet or a heretic shows that I understand he doesn't belong to my faith tradition so those terms have no significance for the discussion.
airclean33 said:
Again John one who serve GOD" you are not to Judge" . You know Like Me".
I disagree with you. But only because you are such a hypocrite when it comes to matters of judgement. I mean, if you really thought that we both served the same God and that because of that I should not judge you then you would never have ever judged me as often as you do.
I disagree with you. I have yet to condemn you. I have pointed out where I thought you have made mistakes and I have challenged you when I believed you bore false witness against myself or others.
airclean33 said:
I am a Child of The Living GOD'
Yes, I know. Just above you said we served the same God.
airclean33 said:
Be Carful you don't bring Judgment on yourself".
Go thou and do likewise.
airclean33 said:
To correct another child of GOD" by His Word ,"is not wrong". We are to help one another John.
I agree. Which is why I decided to comment on the allegations of Neo being a false prophet. I believe you err in attributing such a label to Neo.
airclean33 said:
I can't remember using the Word Heresy" John.
I can't remember claiming that you did. I mention it as a comparison. You understand what a comparison is right?
airclean33 said:
As I 'v posted before John . I in no way said Neo should not post.
Yes. I did hear you claim that.
It doesn't change that accusing somebody of being a false prophet is and attempt to shut them up. You've read scripture. What does it say we are supposed to do with false prophets airclean33? Mind sharing the scripture on that?
You accuse him of being a false prophet not to instruct him or correct him but to get him to stop saying what he has said.
The fact that you claim you do that to protect Christians coming on line communicates that you want Neo not to say what he has been saying. You don't want him to shut up entirely, you just don't want him posting things you disagree with.
But go ahead, remind me of what we are supposed to do with false prophets and tell me how the allegation is friendly and adds to conversation.