Resurrection: Does Your Minister/Church Preach What You Believe?

[Neo]

Nah, neo, I'm pretty well the extreme left. I'm absolutely in dis-agreement with much of "should" religiosity. However, most of us have some sort of BS, even if completely non-religious, from a definition POV. If it does no demonstrated harm, I favour "dreams" over flat "bulls**t"...

If we give up on our free thinking, our "dreams" as you call it, then what do we have? We become puppets who believe what we're told to believe. Can I prove the existence of the soul? No I can't, but this is a forum about religion and spiritual matters, the possibility of the soul should be on the table. It's not a new idea, one that I just invented. Mankind has discussed the possibility of a causal force standing in and behind our physical being since ... forever.

 

[BetteTheRed]

Not disagreeing with you, Neo. Just suggesting that I'm on the extreme left of most things, and still prefer the idea of dreams to bulls**t... Dreams are not unimportant to me. I spend one third of my sleeping time, roughly 1/9th of my life, "in dreams". Just because I believe in nothing supernatural doesn't mean I don't believe in dreams.

 

[Luce NDs]

@chansen, "bulls**t" or "dreams"?

Pure fecundity of conception ... forethought?

 

[Luce NDs]

Apparently free thinking is frowned upon by the extreme right and the left.

Free speak and no listening to what goes by ... does it come back as rebound and scratching on the wall ...? After severe thought ... hind speak? De crept stinkers ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Nah, neo, I'm pretty well the extreme left. I'm absolutely in dis-agreement with much of "should" religiosity. However, most of us have some sort of BS, even if completely non-religious, from a definition POV. If it does no demonstrated harm, I favour "dreams" over flat "bulls**t"...

Extreme shoulds ... should Eire the way ... close to butts as they are driven on ... real bau mars as liked by Jae ...

Free thought is dark and subtle as oppressed by oligarch powers ... careful ... they can and will to be slippery ...

 

[airclean33]

I understand that, but he never claimed office of Prophet, if he did then he would be claiming authority, he never did that

Hi Blackbelt----Perhaps this will help you.
Wolves in Sheep Clothing: What the Bible Says about Recognizing False Prophets
By Betty Miller

Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 1 Thessalonians 5:21

Pastors Bud & Betty Miller on False Prophets

To recognize false prophets we must heed the above verse and “prove all things.” One does not arrive at being an overcomer until he first learns the all important lesson of testing or “proving” the issues of this life. In the hour that we live there are so many things that are false and evil. We must be constantly on guard and “prove” or test things, lest we become ensnared by something that is wicked. Cults are spreading. Eastern idolatrous religions are creeping into our country in very subtle forms, and many Christians are being deceived and have accepted their practices without even being aware of their evil. Some religious groups have existed for years under the guise of Christianity, and yet are far from the teachings of Jesus Christ. The Lord warns us of these false teachers and tells us to beware of them.

Looking at Matthew 7:15-23, we find Jesus gives us the guideline for determining false prophets:

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7:15-23

 

[blackbelt1961]

Hi Blackbelt----Perhaps this will help you.
Wolves in Sheep Clothing: What the Bible Says about Recognizing False Prophets
By Betty Miller

I do not agree with some of Neo's posts is obvious, but what Neo is not is a False Prophet or even worse a wolf in sheeps clothing , Neo has no inwardly ill intent and personally I find your post to be an insult to him which he does not deserve.

 

[Jaebius]

I do not agree with some of Neo's posts is obvious, but what Neo is not is a False Prophet or even worse a wolf in sheeps clothing , Neo has no inwardly ill intent and personally I find your post to be an insult to him which he does not deserve.

blackbelt is correct on this one. @airclean33, please stop trying to defend that @Neo is a false prophet. You are just digging yourself a bigger hole brother.

 

[Luce NDs]

Can False Prophets warn of False Prophets to take the heat off them ... a kohl process ... like wales in the pool 've psyche ... well and deeply whetted?

For all we know as people straining to become more emotional and passionately opinionated ... so beit ... or the bate was consumed ... good for bantering with false schools that despise intellect in favour of passions ...

 

[revjohn]

To be a false prophet one must first claim to be a prophet.

I have never heard Neo make any such claim. At most, he operates on a similar level to airclean33. He shares what he knows about what he believes.

Not liking what he shares doesn't make him a false prophet.

Disagreeing with what he shares doesn't make him a false prophet.

If he was claiming to be a prophet (which he doesn't) we would be able to test his prophetic utterances to see a) how they align with scripture and b) if they came true.

With respect to element a) Neo doesn't adhere to Christianity or Judaism so judging him to be a false prophet of either Judaism or Christianity requires heaps of ignorance.

I don't know that the spirituality he adheres to addresses false prophecy or defines it. Nor is that really a concern for me. I think he can manage his own faith whether or not I agree with it or not.

Who am I to judge another's servant?

The same thing happens when the word "heresy" is tossed around without particular concern to the reality that heresy is an "error" and not something I disagree with or dislike.

Both terms, "false prophet" and "heretic" are meant to stop conversation in an exercise of power over. In some contexts that might be a responsible use of authority.

In the context of open-minded discussion they are hostile and possibly abusive.

 

[Luce NDs]

Makes us thinking demons raise harE Zeas ... blips in the unseen field Theory ... recall it is just another unknown word ...

A Wrinkle in Time as some kind of shell fish?

 

[BetteTheRed]

Not entirely tongue in cheek, my unofficial nickname in my congregation is The Resident Heretic...

 

[Mendalla]

Not entirely tongue in cheek, my unofficial nickname in my congregation is The Resident Heretic...

If you go UU, you'll just be one among many, or so we like to joke. While our roots are in Christian traditions considered heretical by various other Christians (denial of the trinity, belief in universal salvation), it would actually be very hard to pin down what would make one a UU heretic. Denying that every person has inherent worth and dignity, I guess. But anyone who denied that, or any of the other principles, likely wouldn't remain a UU anyhow. I suppose the fact that I put the seventh principle first and derive the first from it (essentially, I hold that it is being part of the web of existence that gives us inherent worth and dignity since the entire web has inherent worth and dignity) makes me a heretic in some UU eyes, but it's a very mild heresy and I'm sure I'm not alone in it.

 

[airclean33]

I do not agree with some of Neo's posts is obvious, but what Neo is not is a False Prophet or even worse a wolf in sheeps clothing , Neo has no inwardly ill intent and personally I find your post to be an insult to him which he does not deserve.

--Hi Brother--
Your insult is to me". Now I hold," it against you. We will let The Father" clear it up". We" are not to Judge another Brother". I was about to say what you want to believe is up to you". What you stated here is wrong". I use GODS " Word to make a Judgement ". Where has your"s come from on a Brother"?

 

[Luce NDs]

Some people can blindly offend the others but reject it in their directions ... sort of like hot winds in babbling ... can let the Eire out of bubbles ...

 

[airclean33]

To be a false prophet one must first claim to be a prophet.

--aIRCLEAN--POST--
--Hi Rev-John--You know John I hate keep , telling a Minister they are teaching Wrong?
Of course John your Wrong ",once more". Did you not read, what I sent to black belt ?

John--post-...............
I have never heard Neo make any such claim. At most, he operates on a similar level to airclean33. He shares what he knows about what he believes.

--Airclean--post--
Ha..Ha-----So you believe ,Neo and me Teach The Same Thing. Come on John can't you do better than this? Neo has said he, was a Christion. Yet he teaches another way to come to GOD. I guess you haven't noted this? This is not saying on this form . He can not, state what he feels . Nor have I ever said that.

--John post ---.......
Not liking what he shares doesn't make him a false prophet.

--Airclean--post --
Here again John , are you say it is ok for a Person, to say what they think" . That is ok if your not a Christian an your name is not Airclean ?

John --post --
Disagreeing with what he shares doesn't make him a false prophet.

Airclean--post --...
That's O-K John . That is with me .But I will mark it down, you still have a right to post as You see things' When you and I face GOD " one day. I am sure He will see who is right.

--John Post---
If he was claiming to be a prophet (which he doesn't) we would be able to test his prophetic utterances to see a) how they align with scripture and b) if they came true.

--Airclean--post --
Do you really Believe a False--Prophet will announce himself or herself?? Do you believe you come back as another person, again and again. As he feels, you believe your Spirit must work Hard to be like Christ, Or GOD" , To Be Saved? This is why you have many Lives? Again I don't believe this" . This once more dose not mean Noe can't post as he feels. I believe other Christians should no an understand this".

--John--post--.............
With respect to element a) Neo doesn't adhere to Christianity or Judaism so judging him to be a false prophet of either Judaism or Christianity requires heaps of ignorance.

--Airclean--Post--.............
Well John I can hardly believe you post this here. I Agree Neo dose not follow Christianity I believe this is what we are taking about. I explain up top he Neo said he follow Christ but also had other beliefs. You would have read that by now. So you think I am ignorant for pointing out That Neo is not only looking some what like a Christian," but is not."I find a Minster" of GOD , not pointing this out to Christians coming on line, who Neo is. Not doing His duty" .

--John post-..............
I don't know that the spirituality he adheres to addresses false prophecy or defines it. Nor is that really a concern for me. I think he can manage his own faith whether or not I agree with it or not.

Who am I to judge another's servant?

--Airclean--Post-............
Again John one who serve GOD" you are not to Judge" . You know Like Me". As I just pointed out to Blackbelt." Of course if you feel I am wrong" please, point it out ,Use GODS Word" , if you will. I am a Child of The Living GOD' Be Carful you don't bring Judgment on yourself". To correct another child of GOD" by His Word ,"is not wrong". We are to help one another John.

--John--post--..............
same thing happens when the word "heresy" is tossed around without particular concern to the reality that heresy is an "error" and not something I disagree with or dislike.

--Airclean--post--.............
I can't remember using the Word Heresy" John.

--John--post-.........
Both terms, "false prophet" and "heretic" are meant to stop conversation in an exercise of power over. In some contexts that might be a responsible use of authority.

--Airclean--post---
As I 'v posted before John . I in no way said Neo should not post.

In the context of open-minded discussion they are hostile and possibly abusive.

 

[airclean33]

Hi John --Part two--
In the context of open-minded discussion they are hostile and possibly abusive.

Airclean--post --
I have obligations to other Sisters and Brothers , to tell them what I feel" GODS Holy Spirit is saying to me. I don't hate Neo, I kind of like him". I will pray "GOD " changes his mind".

 

[Mendalla]

Ha..Ha-----So you believe ,Neo and me Teach The Same Thing.

No, that is not what @revjohn said at all. He said you are both DOING the same thing, sharing what you believe, not that you both TEACH the same thing. Your comprehension is as bad as your writing and inability to use the quote function properly.

 

[blackbelt1961]

--Hi Brother--
Your insult is to me". Now I hold," it against you. We will let The Father" clear it up". We" are not to Judge another Brother". I was about to say what you want to believe is up to you". What you stated here is wrong". I use GODS " Word to make a Judgement ". Where has your"s come from on a Brother"?

Mine also comes from Gods word, Im a Christian too remember , what I do not share is mostly your interpretation of it so I stand by my view of Neo and suggest as revJohn has as well , that you are wrong in this matter

 

[airclean33]

No, that is not what @revjohn said at all. He said you are both DOING the same thing, sharing what you believe, not that you both TEACH the same thing. Your comprehension is as bad as your writing and inability to use the quote function properly.

Hi there Mendalla --I am sorry I don't post as you believe or you think". It would seem to me" . as I follow The Lord GOD," an you don't , the one having BAD Comprehension"
Mendalla. Please prove me wrong." airclean33--Gord.