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unsafe says ---the teaching -- the last will be first is and the first will be last in Mark 10 is also about Salvation ----those who diligently seek worldly possessions will never rightly value Christ and His Grace
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I disagree. I do think that Jesus was talking about the necessity for servant leadership today in today's context, today's world. About valuing compassion for all of your neighbours, without discrimination, over everything else.
 
BetteTheRed ------I disagree. I do think that Jesus was talking about the necessity for servant leadership today in today's context, today's world. About valuing compassion for all of your neighbours, without discrimination, over everything else.


unsafe says -----you can disagree if you want to that is your right ------for me your view is not the Spiritual meaning and the Bible is all about Salvation from Genesis to Revelation --so I think it is about in this passage what I posted ------
 
I know of a rabbi who doesn't understand the difference between spiritual and secular. What is body? What is soul? How many of your feelings, ergo your beliefs, originate in your gut flora?
 
BetteTheRed ----your quote ----- I know of a rabbi who doesn't understand the difference between spiritual and secular. What is body? What is soul? How many of your feelings, ergo your beliefs, originate in your gut flora?


My Faith comes by way of God's word and the Holy Spirit guides me into the Spiritual meaning of the Scripture ---If the rabbi is having trouble knowing the difference between what is spiritual and secular he needs to receive the free give of Salvation and have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who will teach him the difference -----

The scripture is very clear -----

1 John 2:27 (GW)
27 The anointing you received from Christ lives in you. You don’t need anyone to teach you something else. Instead, Christ’s anointing teaches you about everything. His anointing is true and contains no lie. So live in Christ as he taught you to do.
 
Good feed and fetes can offset a lot of mental illness! Work of life ...

Some people have no heart for the poor and disenchanted by the desires of the powerfully corrupt ... redone dance? Thus multiple copies ... and varied understanding so we experience alternate chaos ... intellect as struggling against emotions? So much to learn in a short life ... wee peoples!


THus cannot be expanded upon literally! Thus many myth syndrome ...

In the swing of the pendulum flips are to be encountered and thus some rejectionists don;t learn of aliens ... regardless of the word of god about strange angels ... darker ones?

Thus the Ba'aL gamas and Bats ... to hammer away at allah Gory ... bloody satyrs ...
 
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Today’s reading is Matthew 20 and 21. This is a long read. Much of it is familiar to most of the people following this thread. If not, or if you want to refresh your mind, feel free to read or to reread the chapters indicated.

Chapter 20 begins with Jesus telling the parable of the workers in the vineyard. The ones who had worked all day and the ones who started at the 11th hour were paid same amount, a day’s wages. There are several ways of looking at this parable. Was it fair? Did the landowner have the right to decide how much he would pay each person? What would a modern-day union have to say about the situation? Workers at the beginning of the day agreed to accept a day’s wages. This is what they received. They would have been satisfied if the others had received less but when people who had spent most of the day idling received a full day’s wages it didn’t seem right. A day’s wages equal to the amount required to feed a family for the day. If the worker was unable to provide for each day the family would go hungry; if it happened very often they would risk malnutrition or even death. Both hired late in the day said that they had been unable to find work, and were grateful for whatever was offered. The landowner knowing that they needed a full day’s wages, met their needs. Doing what is right may not always mean treating everyone equally. It means meeting the need.

This parable is unique to Matthew.

The rest of this chapter parallels the reading from Mark yesterday, with minor differences. Matthew tells of Jesus predicting his death; of the request by James and John to sit on their Jesus right and left hand in his glory (only Matthew softens the request somewhat by having the mother make the request on their behalf).

The chapter ends with a report of Jesus was restoring sight to the blind. Matthew has two unnamed blind men, with no mention of Barabbas.
 
Chapter 21 begins with the familiar stories of the palm parade into Jerusalem; the overturning of the tables in the temple; and the cursing of the fig tree. Jesus authority is questioned.

Matthew then goes on to tell the less familiar parable of the man with two sons who asked them each separately to do a day’s work for him. One reacts quickly in the affirmative. Sure he will go! But then he got distracted and forgot about his obligation. It takes time to think, perhaps he had other plans, for he says no. The father accepts both replies. The son said no realizes that his father really needs his help so he goes out into the fields and does a day’s work. The question is, which of the sons honoured his father?

Remember hearing this parable when I was a child and my answer would’ve been neither. The son said yes and didn’t do it would have been in big trouble if it had been my father. The son said no – if my father wouldn’t have dared. He would’ve been dragged out to the field. Jesus concludes this parable by stating that tax collectors and prostitutes are welcome in the kingdom of God, more so than the self-righteous.

The chapter ends with familiar parable – this one of the landowner who goes away leaving his vineyard in charge of some tenants. When he sends servants and eventually his son, to collect his share of the harvest, the tenants rebel, the son is killed, and the tenants sieze the vineyard.
 
Matthew 20 ----the parable of the worker ---Spiritually is about what the Kingdom of Heaven is like -------Line one tells us that -----

Matthew 20 (GNT)
The Workers in the Vineyard
20 “The Kingdom of heaven is like this. Once there was a man who went out early in the morning to hire some men to work in his vineyard.


Seeler---- your quote -----There are several ways of looking at this parable. Was it fair? Did the landowner have the right to decide how much he would pay each person? What would a modern-day union have to say about the situation?

unsafe says ---there might be several ways to look at this Parable in the Worldly sense ----But there is only one way to Look at This Parable in the Spiritual Sense ------this Parable contains the Phrase again -------verse 16 ----16 And Jesus concluded, “So those who are last will be first, and those who are first will be last.”

Remember the first line tells us what the Parable is about ------This Parable is describing the first people in the vineyard who were the Jews ----they are the chosen ones they were the first ----then later the Gentiles were allowed to work in the vineyard and got the same as the ones who were first ----- the first weren't happy with that -they became Jealous and grumbled and complained ----

What this is saying today is this ----The Religious People of today who are like the Pharisees who think they are righteous before God by what they do shouting how holy they are and showing their proudness to others -----Normal Christians are the worst Hypocrites -----the last hired were hired to spiritually awaken the first but all they did was show their anger and ignorance and jealousy as to what was at hand -----they missed the point ----

So the first will be last and the last will be first is saying in this Parable ----the last ---the Gentiles ---who received and believed the Gospel will be the first in the Kingdom of God------ and the first --the Chosen ones the Jews will be last cause they reject the Gospel and are hell bent on believing that they safe and have a place in God's Kingdom because God chose them from the beginning -------
 
BetteTheRed said:
I know of a rabbi who doesn't understand the difference between spiritual and secular. What is body? What is soul? How many of your feelings, ergo your beliefs, originate in your gut flora?
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Everyone goes by feelings, that is part of our fall, feelings manny times are wrong, sinful, yet we still have them and act out on them, some Christians describe this by saying its soulful, being carnal, or the natural man, being earthly and so forth.

Bring spiritual is minus our feelings and living by principle , who’s principles we live by is another topic, I myself try , with failures of course, to live by Christ’s principles , even when I don’t feel like it , I put my feelings aside and live by Christ’s Principals.

We also see this In Jesus daily Life, especially just before His crucifixion , Scripture says Jesus Prayed to the Father that He would not have to go through the humiliation and crucifixion. Scripture says Jesus as he prayed He sweated droplets of blood, can you imagine the pressure, His feelings. I highly doubt Jesus felt like dying for us evil people. Yet Jesus on to death when on the Spirit and Will of God, minus His feeling/ego.

I also believe that all The forces of evil at that time Jesus praying not to endure the cross, were working on Him full force. How easy it would have been for Jesus to say , Hey man I am not doing this, yet he put His Feelings aside and went by the Spirit.

The fact that you and I and everyone on this board and all others who try and understand this man we call Jesus, is a testament to Jesus’s Life and His living by the Spirit, regardless of what we believe about Him.

If Jesus lived by feelings, he would have disappeared into history.
 
unsafe said:
What this is saying today is this ----The Religious People of today who are like the Pharisees who think they are righteous before God by what they do shouting how holy they are and showing their proudness to others -----Normal Christians are the worst Hypocrites -----the last hired were hired to spiritually awaken the first but all they did was show their anger and ignorance and jealousy as to what was at hand -----they missed the point ----

So the first will be last and the last will be first is saying in this Parable ----the last ---the Gentiles ---who received and believed the Gospel will be the first in the Kingdom of God------ and the first --the Chosen ones the Jews will be last cause they reject the Gospel and are hell bent on believing that they safe and have a place in God's Kingdom because God chose them from the beginning -------
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That is an extremely anti-Semitic take on this parable and I disagree completely.

To me, it's completely about meeting the needs of my neighbour. Treating people equally isn't always just. If I give a millionaire and a person on the street a sandwich, it just doesn't mean the same thing,
 
BetteTheRed -------your quote ----- To me, it's completely about meeting the needs of my neighbour. Treating people equally isn't always just. If I give a millionaire and a person on the street a sandwich, it just doesn't mean the same thing,

unsafe says -----Believe as you will ---again your take is the not at all what the Parable is about ----the scripture tells you clearly what the parable is about in the first line ------your missing the point and putting your worldly spin on a Spiritual meaning parable -----
 
BetteTheRed said:
That is an extremely anti-Semitic take on this parable and I disagree completely.

To me, it's completely about meeting the needs of my neighbour. Treating people equally isn't always just. If I give a millionaire and a person on the street a sandwich, it just doesn't mean the same thing,
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If you look at the life of Jesus , who was also a Jew. According to worldly standards, Jesus was last, was the least in all , he owned nothing, born among the poorest, lived poor, died poor , he was among the last , yet Humble and rich in Spirit. Jesus became the first in Gods Kingdom.


The passage is not about Jews vs Gentiles, its about the position of one’s heart in a place of a selfish world.


which is what @unsafe is saying


Matt 5:5
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth
 
blackbelt1961 said:
The passage is not about Jews vs Gentiles, its about the position of one’s heart in a place of a selfish world.
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That's actually closer to what my take was, I think. That it was about loving your neighbour, rather than making distinctions about Jew and Gentile. unsafe's phrasing was actively anti-Semitic in my view: here:
unsafe said:
in this Parable ----the last ---the Gentiles ---who received and believed the Gospel will be the first in the Kingdom of God------ and the first --the Chosen ones the Jews will be last cause they reject the Gospel and are hell bent on believing that they safe and have a place in God's Kingdom because God chose them from the beginning -------
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unsafe does not believe that those of the Jewish religion will be saved from her Hell (nor, in fact, those of her own religion who interpret or translated differently than her). What do you think? Do you think that Godde breaks Godde's promises?
 
And IN FACT, if we're doing a faithful reading of the text, Matthew 20, about the workers being hired to work in the vineyard, does not mention nor imply the words Jew nor Gentile - unsafe inserted that concept in her "spiritual reading" of the text.
 
Any Jew BetteTheRed who receive Jesus as their Lord and Saviour today will be saved as are all who accept the free give of Salvation ---the Jews who are still waiting for their Messiah will reap the benefits of their unbelief that Jesus was who He said He was in the end ------- as will all unbelievers -----this parable is in Matthew ---Jesus is still alive here and Jesus has come to fulfil the Law that the Jews could not keep and Jesus is preaching the Good News and the Jews will not except what Jesus is saying ----they are against Jesus wanting to trap and kill Him -----Jesus tried to tell the Jews that a time is coming when the Law will be obsolete and a New Covenant will exist but they refuse to believe this ------so God will keep His promise which is now Jesus is THE WAY TO BE HEAVEN BOUND ------The Jews are creating their own demise by rejecting Jesus and when you reject Jesus The Son --you also Reject The Father and that is in scripture -------

The Parable of the workers has nothing to do with your neighbour ---it has everything to do with accepting the Good News that Jesus is preaching and the first line tells you that in the scripture below -----unsafe says ----very plain to understand ---nothing about your neighbour here ---it is about the Kingdom of Heaven
Matthew 20 (GNT)-------
The Workers in the Vineyard
20 “The Kingdom of heaven is like this. Once there was a man who went out early in the morning to hire some men to work in his vineyard.
 
BetteTheRed said:
That's actually closer to what my take was, I think. That it was about loving your neighbour, rather than making distinctions about Jew and Gentile. unsafe's phrasing was actively anti-Semitic in my view: here:


unsafe does not believe that those of the Jewish religion will be saved from her Hell (nor, in fact, those of her own religion who interpret or translated differently than her). What do you think? Do you think that Godde breaks Godde's promises?
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I believe , Unsafe is referring to the Jews of scripture, sect of the Pharisees and not all Jews , even Jesus has some choice words for them. They rejected Jesus for the law in their religion, they imposed heavy burdens on their followers, yet they themselves were boastful in heart, not humble. To be a Pharisee in biblical times was to be a somebody, holding high positions, they were prideful, arrogant.
 
unsafe said:
Any Jew BetteTheRed who receive Jesus as their Lord and Saviour today will be saved as are all who accept the free give of Salvation ---the Jews who are still waiting for their Messiah will reap the benefits of their unbelief that Jesus was who He said He was in the end ------- as will all unbelievers -----this parable is in Matthew ---Jesus is still alive here and Jesus has come to fulfil the Law that the Jews could not keep and Jesus is preaching the Good News and the Jews will not except what Jesus is saying ----they are against Jesus wanting to trap and kill Him -----Jesus tried to tell the Jews that a time is coming when the Law will be obsolete and a New Covenant will exist but they refuse to believe this ------so God will keep His promise which is now Jesus is THE WAY TO BE HEAVEN BOUND ------The Jews are creating their own demise by rejecting Jesus and when you reject Jesus The Son --you also Reject The Father and that is in scripture -------
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So God has his son killed for 3 days (which starts us off on a ridiculous foot from the jump), for which there are no contemporary accounts, and our failure to believe in something so amazingly baseless and obviously contrived will result in some sort of punishment, because the most important thing we can do, as humans, is to believe bulls**t stories, or else we are somehow punished (the exact punishment also being the subject of much debate).

In any other part of life, if you believed things as improbable as this after the age of 3, your family would be worried about you and seek help.
 
blackbelt1961 said:
I believe , Unsafe is referring to the Jews of scripture, sect of the Pharisees and not all Jews , even Jesus has some choice words for them. They rejected Jesus for the law in their religion, they imposed heavy burdens on their followers, yet they themselves were boastful in heart, not humble. To be a Pharisee in biblical times was to be a somebody, holding high positions, they were prideful, arrogant.
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So....like Doug Ford?
 
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