Resolution - to read the Bible

[Mendalla]

I believe , Unsafe is referring to the Jews of scripture, sect of the Pharisees and not all Jews , even Jesus has some choice words for them. They rejected Jesus for the law in their religion, they imposed heavy burdens on their followers, yet they themselves were boastful in heart, not humble. To be a Pharisee in biblical times was to be a somebody, holding high positions, they were prideful, arrogant.

I could buy this explanation IF @unsafe had not used present tense in these two quotes:

-the Jews who are still waiting for their Messiah will reap the benefits of their unbelief that Jesus was who He said He was in the end ------- as will all unbelievers

The Jews are creating their own demise by rejecting Jesus and when you reject Jesus The Son --you also Reject The Father and that is in scripture -------

To me, use of the present tense means that those quotes are talking about modern Jews, not just the Pharisees. The highlighted (bold and underline) passage in particular. And, yes, it's good old-fashioned Christian anti-semitism, or at least the interpretation of scripture that led to it.

 

[blackbelt1961]

I could buy this explanation IF @unsafe had not used present tense in these two quotes:

sorry , your incorrect, not sure why you take it as present tense when clearly Unsafe was speaking of biblical times when salvation was given to the gentiles because the Jews rejected Christ.

that happened 2000 yrs ago , not today

 

[blackbelt1961]

sorry , your incorrect, not sure why you take it as present tense when clearly Unsafe was speaking of biblical times when salvation was given to the gentiles because the Jews rejected Christ.

that happened 2000 yrs ago , not today

then unsafe speak of Present Jews today :

-the Jews who are still waiting for their Messiah will reap the benefits of their unbelief that Jesus was who He said He was in the end ------- as will all unbelievers


a lot of Jews are still waiting , But I am sure Unsafe knows that there are Jews who believe in Christ, so not all Jews , but many yes.

 

[blackbelt1961]

ONE FOR ISRAEL Ministry

 

[Mendalla]

sorry , your incorrect, not sure why you take it as present tense when clearly Unsafe was speaking of biblical times when salvation was given to the gentiles because the Jews rejected Christ.

that happened 2000 yrs ago , not today

Right, so if unsafe meant Jews of 2000 years ago, he should have used past tense. He didn't, he used present tense. There's nothing to debate here. It's basic grammar and if @unsafe meant to refer to the Jews of Jesus time, he can clarify that.

 

[blackbelt1961]

Right, so if unsafe meant Jews of 2000 years ago, he should have used past tense. He didn't, he used present tense. There's nothing to debate here. It's basic grammar and if @unsafe meant to refer to the Jews of Jesus time, he can clarify that.

not really no, even I when speaking about biblical times , I don't use past tenses because its assumed .

but anyhow , your right simple grammar, no biggie

 

[GeoFee]

Hi,

To be a Pharisee in biblical times was to be a somebody, holding high positions, they were prideful, arrogant.

Sounds something like the high minded Christians who see themselves as entitled to the best of this world and heaven too.

George

 

[unsafe]

Mendalla ----this is my post to BetteTheRed ------I am reposting it -------maybe thisa will help you understand better

Any Jew BetteTheRed who receive Jesus as their Lord and Saviour today will be saved as are all who accept the free give of Salvation ---the Jews who are still waiting for their Messiah will reap the benefits of their unbelief that Jesus was who He said He was in the end ------- as will all unbelievers -----this parable is in Matthew ---Jesus is still alive here and Jesus has come to fulfil the Law that the Jews could not keep and Jesus is preaching the Good News and the Jews will not except what Jesus is saying ----they are against Jesus wanting to trap and kill Him -----Jesus tried to tell the Jews that a time is coming when the Law will be obsolete and a New Covenant will exist but they refuse to believe this ------so God will keep His promise which is now Jesus is THE WAY TO BE HEAVEN BOUND ------The Jews are creating their own demise by rejecting Jesus and when you reject Jesus The Son --you also Reject The Father and that is in scripture -------

The Parable of the workers has nothing to do with your neighbour ---it has everything to do with accepting the Good News that Jesus is preaching and the first line tells you that in the scripture below -----unsafe says ----very plain to understand ---nothing about your neighbour here ---it is about the Kingdom of Heaven
Matthew 20 (GNT)-------
The Workers in the Vineyard
20 “The Kingdom of heaven is like this


unsafe says ----- here is a short commentary on this parable --I didn't post it all you can read it ----you can read more commentary on this here -----https://biblehub.com/commentaries/matthew/20-1.htm

Benson Commentary
Matthew 20:1. For the kingdom of heaven, &c. — The manner in which the following parable is here introduced, (and it is the same in the original,) evidently shows that it was spoken in illustration of the sentence with which the preceding chapter concludes, and from which, therefore, it ought not to have been disjoined. The primary scope of this parable seems to be, to show that many of the Jews would be rejected for their disobedience to the gospel call, and many of the Gentiles accepted in consequence of their obeying it. The secondary, That, of the Gentiles, many who were first converted would be the last and lowest in the kingdom of glory, and many of those who were last converted, would be first and highest therein.

 

[blackbelt1961]

Hi,
Sounds something like the high minded Christians who see themselves as entitled to the best of this world and heaven too.

George

Yep , they come in all shapes and sizes

 

[Luce NDs]

Are the meek the same people who are insistent that they know what God wants and issue threats on His behalf? Because this appears to be an older definition of "meek".

A more potent interpretation of the weaker, humbled forces? These like Jesus are at the other end of the hollow ... tun Nell's ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Jew'd or Jude is an old semitic word for power and we all know power corrupts and thus ... after denial the Jews have to wait for all to come around again ... as the world spins under the effect of human avarice ... an objective perspective from beyond the tapestry called human ... a travesty in mental domains that are abstract ...

To view this mental vision one has to be a few steps off the normal ladder ... outlanders? Possibly alien ...

One should learn about stranger things ... like intellectual emotions ... a dynamic force ... seen in a swirl of nebulous nature ...

 

[BetteTheRed]

I believe , Unsafe is referring to the Jews of scripture, sect of the Pharisees and not all Jews , even Jesus has some choice words for them. They rejected Jesus for the law in their religion, they imposed heavy burdens on their followers, yet they themselves were boastful in heart, not humble. To be a Pharisee in biblical times was to be a somebody, holding high positions, they were prideful, arrogant.

She was not referring to the Jews of yesterday, but all Jews since the time of Jesus. What I find very interesting is that, although it's clear to me that your position resembles mine on this verse, you are averse to "changing sides" as you perceive it...

 

[GeoFee]

Hi,

Some confuse parable with precept. The two are not the same. A precept spells things out in a definitive manner. A parable teases the mind to think again about what is taken for granted. Sad to say the parables of Jesus are most often treated as precept by teachers and prophets in Christianity; as elsewhere. This brings in the matter of graven images and consequence for those who trust in them.

Some here take a book as their God. Their reading of the book is governed by diverse teachers making names for themselves by equating their interpretation of scripture with the word of God. That they are under a strong delusion is plain to see. Sad to say, their conviction regarding possession of truth is not easily remedied. This is tragic in view of the multitudes who are taken in by them.

George

 

[unsafe]

BetteThe Red ----your quote -----She was not referring to the Jews of yesterday, but all Jews since the time of Jesus.

unsafe says ----BetteTheRed ------The Pharisees are Jews and were the teachers of the law to all Jews who were following Judaism ----it was the Pharisees who Jesus was upset with as they were the influential Religious People and teachers --they were the ones that were whitewashed on the outside and dirty on the inside ---they were Hypocrites ---Jesus said this ----they honor me with their lips but their heart is far from me -----



Matthew 15 (GW)
Jesus Challenges the Pharisees’ Traditions

15 Then some Pharisees and experts in Moses’ Teachings came from Jerusalem to Jesus. They asked, 2 “Why do your disciples break the traditions of our ancestors? They do not wash their hands before they eat.”

3 He answered them, “Why do you break the commandment of God because of your traditions? 4 For example, God said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’ and ‘Whoever curses father or mother must be put to death.’ 5 But you say that whoever tells his father or mother, ‘I have given to God whatever support you might have received from me,’ 6 does not have to honor his father. Because of your traditions you have destroyed the authority of God’s word. 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:

8 ‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 Their worship of me is pointless,
because their teachings are rules made by humans.’”

 

[Mendalla]

I am going to bow out and let @Seeler have this thread back for its original subject. Such is WC2.

 

[blackbelt1961]

I am going to bow out and let @Seeler have this thread back for its original subject. Such is WC2.

I concur

 

[Seeler]

Thank you, Mandela and Blackbelt.
I appreciate comments, questions and discussion, it sometimes seems as though someone is trying to hijack this thread for her own purposes.

 

[Seeler]

Luke 18:15 – 19:1 to end.
For today we are back in Luke. A fairly long read; but most of it quite familiar and similar to that already covered in Mark and Matthew, indicating a sharing of sources.
Verse 15 begins with the story of Jesus welcoming the children, and concludes with Jesus saying that everyone should welcome the reign of God as a little child.
Next we have Luke's interpretation of the story of the rich young man who could not part with his riches.
Like the other two Gospels, Luke gives his version of Jesus predicting his death in Jerusalem, and of his healing of the blind man. Note here: Mark gives the blind man's name as Barabbas. Matthew says there were two blind men. Luke says one unnamed blind man. Yet it appears to be the same story.

 

[Seeler]

Luke 19 begins with the story of Zacchaeus, the tax collector, climbed a tree to see Jesus and his life was changed when Jesus visited his home. The story is unique to Luke.

We have next version of the story I’ve always heard referred to as the parable of the talents. It differs from Matthew’s version in several ways. Luke introduces some discord with the rich man’s fellow citizens who didn’t want him elevated as the ruler. This seems to have little or nothing to do with the slaves who received the talents and either invested them or hoarded them. After rewarding those slaves who make good on their investments and taking away the talent from the one who had held onto his one talent and giving it to the most successful, Luke concludes this parable by ordering against his enemies, who didn’t want him to rule over them, to be executed. It seems that even today that is the way people newly elected or who newly received power deal with their opponents – they try to eliminate them.

Next, beginning with verse 28, we have Luke’s version of the Palm parade. The story of Jesus entry into Jerusalem is covered in all four Gospels. The major difference, unique to Luke’s Jesus prediction that Jerusalem will be destroyed. Since Luke would’ve been written decades after the Romans destroyed Jerusalem, the writer of this gospel already knows what happened.

Like Matthew and Mark, Luke tells Jesus driving the money lenders from the temple. Luke then speaks of Jesus teaching in the Temple. (oops, I got so interested that time continued on to the beginning of chapter 20 – no harm done. It will probably be covered soon.)

 

[Luce NDs]

The tree is loaded ... inflated with sapiens ... an old word for wisdom ... much denied by powers that would like to keep the children stooped ... such is the way the law of the Tree of Knowledge is inflated or fulfilled ... multi etudally ... to the dismay of those that prefer psychosomnalent states ...

In which case I am always curious as to where deposed thoughts go ... down tubes or wormholes in space ... masquerading ... as hollow threads of the prior's Tory! Word is like that ... when reduced to simplicity of the poles and not complexity allowed ... then the lines of force collapse ... falling Ba'aLs? Reminds me of St Nicks Gold things in the chimney ... collapse of triads ... pure abstraction ... to break the monotony of nothing ... something to be fulfilled.

Some powers believe conflict is best ... I'll go with the struggle for wisdom ... the contraries will make war out've it as it rises ... that Dais Zaes ... flowering mental ganglia?