Resolution - to read the Bible

[BetteTheRed]

Wonder what those self-righteous "sanctity of marriage" types do with David?

 

[Seeler]

David's was the most disfunctional family since Jacob with his four wives and 13 children.

 

[blackbelt1961]

David's was the most disfunctional family since Jacob with his four wives and 13 children.

most of the apostles were also , which is interesting that God would chose dysfunctional people with faith. It really does show the Grace of God, forming the bases for humanity for centuries to come for all us dysfunctional's

 

[Luce NDs]

See I've been telling people for years the world is nuts ... except for me ... but the paradigm disagrees ... free wiles prevail!

Thus I remain isolated and complex ... even well composed or composted ... calmly thinking compared to the emotionally falsified under logical falla Sea!

Raised by whoamen ... for what girls want ... unspeakable ...

 

[GeoFee]

From my youth north of 55

Raven sits high in a tree
Raven has eyes that can see
See more than forest and field
More than tern and teal
Raven has eyes that can see

Eagle flies down from the sky
Plucks the eyes from Raven's skull
Raven still can see
Blood cannot erase reality
​

George

 

[Luce NDs]

And raven continues as emotions do ... intellect appears to be on the other side of the dar kem Ire ... a Freudian slip of the Greek chaos over "r" = dark delta ... gamma thing that appears as "^" casting a shadow over the "v" ... a Celtic pipe, or dale ... sometimes vale!

The word is God ... use care with how you think and play with it for someone may take it as laws or loess ... thus be gentile with the turnover an ploughing ... the dirt can be vicious if offended as denied thought ... Kubler Ross continues ...

After negotiation in truth ... some cranking can go on acceptable at the other end of the υ that may convert to a following ... as darker form of r's ... the Egyptian Set Eire over Sah ara ...

Which is darker and which forms a better thorn than the dar Kar Eros ... sight unseen? Prick of the quince ... sharp tasting ...

 

[Seeler]

More psalms - 121 / 121-123 / 125 / 128-130 - I note that these are more up-beat than the ones I read earlier this week.

And 1 Samuel is finished. It seems that David and his outlaw band crossed into Philistine lands and made an agreement with the leader of the Philistines. Peace for a short while. Then complications: The Philistines and Saul's armies meet in the battlefield. Saul, having lost God's favour, meets with the medium of Endor who calls up Samuel's ghost who predicts Saul's death and that of his sons.
David's band sets out to support the Philistines but are sent back before the battle begins so they are not present when Saul, and Jonathan and his brothers are killed and their bodies mutilated.
Meanwhile, the Amalekites had raided David's settlement and captured the women and children, including David's two wives.
David's men are exhausted, so much so that he divides them and leaves half to guard the excess baggage while the stronger push on to defeat the Amalekites and get back their wives and children and claim the spoils of war. When the two halves of David's band are rejoined and the wives and children back with their men, the spoils are to be divided. Question - do the spoils belong solely to those who were involved in the battle or are they shared with those left behind?
David's decision: "The share of the man who stayed with the supplies is to be the same as that of him who went down o the battle." He made this a statute and ordinance for Israel. Righteousness and justice?

 

[Mendalla]

David's decision: "The share of the man who stayed with the supplies is to be the same as that of him who went down o the battle." He made this a statute and ordinance for Israel. Righteousness and justice?

Recognition that guarding the rear is as important as being in the vanguard in a military campaign, I would say. If the Amalekites had circled back to try to take out David's supply lines or something, the ones left behind would have been the ones doing the fighting and would possibly have saved the day.

 

[Seeler]

I was thinking perhaps David realized that 'we're all in this together'. Or 'next time it might be me who breaks a leg and can't keep up'.

 

[Seeler]

2 Samuel begins with David hearing o Saul's death, and his lament over Saul and Jonathan.
Then it quickly changes to David returning to Hebron and becoming king of Judea. Meanwhile Saul's youngest son - Ish-baal (in my novel I called him Ishy) - escapes to the northern tribes and continues as king in his father's place. There follows a period of sporatic fighting, intrigue, betrayal, murder and revenge that would thrill any suspense or mystery writer.
And David finds time to acquire a few more wives. They are named, along with their children;
- Michel (oh yes, David had Michel returned to him) - childless
- Ahinoam, son Amnon
- Abigail, son Chileab (also called Daniel)
- Maacah, son Absalom (and a daughter, Tamar)
- Haggith, son Adonijah
- Abital, son Shephatiah
- Eglah, son Ithream
And he continues to write Psalms.

Psalm 6 / 8-10 / 14 / 16 / 19 / 21

I expected to go back to reading further in 2 Samuel, but my guide now jumps to 1 Chronicles. I understand that Kings and Chronicles cover the same period in Hebrew history, but Kings is written by the pov of the southern tribes, while the pov in Chronicles is more from the northern tribes. So it makes sense to read them both at the same time.

 

[GeoFee]

More psalms - 121 / 121-123 / 125 / 128-130 - I note that these are more up-beat than the ones I read earlier this week.

And 1 Samuel is finished. It seems that David and his outlaw band crossed into Philistine lands and made an agreement with the leader of the Philistines. Peace for a short while. Then complications: The Philistines and Saul's armies meet in the battlefield. Saul, having lost God's favour, meets with the medium of Endor who calls up Samuel's ghost who predicts Saul's death and that of his sons.
David's band sets out to support the Philistines but are sent back before the battle begins so they are not present when Saul, and Jonathan and his brothers are killed and their bodies mutilated.
Meanwhile, the Amalekites had raided David's settlement and captured the women and children, including David's two wives.
David's men are exhausted, so much so that he divides them and leaves half to guard the excess baggage while the stronger push on to defeat the Amalekites and get back their wives and children and claim the spoils of war. When the two halves of David's band are rejoined and the wives and children back with their men, the spoils are to be divided. Question - do the spoils belong solely to those who were involved in the battle or are they shared with those left behind?
David's decision: "The share of the man who stayed with the supplies is to be the same as that of him who went down o the battle." He made this a statute and ordinance for Israel. Righteousness and justice?

Gratitude for the summary. Nice to see a text from ancient days finding present voice. I constantly wonder why the Bible’s egalitarian vision and practice is so strongly resisted. The bias being for possessive individualism expressed as political hedonism. Are we not in this together? All of us and our children?

 

[Seeler]

Chronicles 1 -10, and Psalms 43-45 / 49 / 84-85 / 87 / 73 / 77-78 / 81/ 88 / 92 /93

Chronicles 1 - 9 seems to be one long list of names - the geneology of the twelve tribes, father to son, to son, to son, ... Only a few names that I recognize from memory or my reading this past two months.
This might be fascinating for someone searching their roots, or the general roots of the Hebrew people. Seelerman has a book about his family going back to the 1600s - whenever we meet someone with the same last name we refer to the book and search back through the generations for a common ancestor.
I understand this or similar lists has been used to find approximate dates that important events (like the Exodus) happened by counting back the generations and using 20 years as a generation.
It was probably useful at the time for determining the size of the population and the strength of its fighting force.

But for me today, it didn't inspire or challange me in any way.

Chapter 10 gets around to telling about Saul's death - very similar to the reports in Kings.

 

[Seeler]

Psalms 102 - 104

Surprise - the reading for today is from 2 Samuel 5: 1-10 and 1 Chron. 11-12
1 Chronicles 11 begins with almost an exact repeat of the reading from 2 Samuel (enough so that I had to go back and check that I wasn't reading the same thing twice). It tells of David being anointed king over all Israel and then conquering Jerusalem. Then Chronicles goes on to to list the leaders of David's armies, tellling briefly of some of their victories. Chapter 12 seems devoted to naming the tribes and their numbers who deflected from Saul to join David.
Interesting: among the mighty warriers we find Uriah the Hillite. I suspect this might be the same Uriah we will meet later - husband of the beautiful Bathsheba.
What did I learn from this reading? this was a time of transition with divisions, divided loyalties, betrayals from which David emerged victorious and that the honored and beloved King David was not just the gentle shepherd who played the harp and wrote beautiful poetry that is still read today but he was also a warrior and powerful fighting leader. And that this ruthless man was favoured by God - according to the understanding of the people who wrote of his deeds.

 

[Seeler]

Psalms 105, 106, 107 = long poems reviewing their history in song.

2 Sam 5:22 - 6:23 and 1 Chron. 13 - 16

Both cover the same material, sometimes almost word for word; but Chronicles adds more detail.
David is established in Jerusalem and a palace built for him. He acquires more wives and concubines and more sons are born to him.
More battles with the Phiilistines.
The ark of the Lord is brought to Jerusalem with much celebration; (David and Michal have their differences. )
David composes a long song for the ccelebration - very similar to the Psalms 105-107.

 

[Luce NDs]

Psalms 105, 106, 107 = long poems reviewing their history in song.

2 Sam 5:22 - 6:23 and 1 Chron. 13 - 16

Both cover the same material, sometimes almost word for word; but Chronicles adds more detail.
David is established in Jerusalem and a palace built for him. He acquires more wives and concubines and more sons are born to him.
More battles with the Phiilistines.
The ark of the Lord is brought to Jerusalem with much celebration; (David and Michal have their differences. )
David composes a long song for the ccelebration - very similar to the Psalms 105-107.

A lot of redundancy ... as if there is a determined uncertainty ... yet to be found!

 

[crazyheart]

And doesn't David dance naked?

 

[BetteTheRed]

Interesting that the "worth of a man" back then was the number of wives, concubines, children he acquired. Bit of a startling comparison with Mr. Trump.

 

[Seeler]

And doesn't David dance naked?

The Bible mentions Daavid wearing a linen ephod. It also says that his wife Michel accused him of 'dancing naked' before the slave girls. In my (unfinished) novel, I have him wearing a beautifully dyed wool robe that Michel had made for him before he left Jerusalem. Now on his return in the heat of the day, dancing energetically, he gets warm, tosses the robe to his slaveboy, and enters the city in his undergarments. Her disappointment and humiliation accounts for her anger which results in King David sentencing her to confinement in his harem for the rest of her life.
Of course I am embellishing the Biblical report. That's why it's callled a novel.

 

[Luce NDs]

And doesn't David dance naked?

Rye sooth in archaic language ... so the present institution can't perceive it as alien ...

When buried in the novel expression with 200 fore skins ... could lead to the string about furries ... and thus perhaps David was a Trappist? As abstract as the confined Michael within the bode ... a spark? Can one abide with abode ... or just catch eM on the Moors? Tue Tue much for some expressions as Jainist in Ayre ... high jinx?

 

[Bolt_upright]

Recognition that guarding the rear is as important as being in the vanguard in a military campaign, I would say. If the Amalekites had circled back to try to take out David's supply lines or something, the ones left behind would have been the ones doing the fighting and would possibly have saved the day.

No one knows better than a good Shepard.