Physical Illness, Mental Illness, Invisible Illness

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Interesting comment jlin. Out of control diabetes has great effect on both physical & mental health (and lifespan), in my experience. And mental health issues often have a big impact on cognition, which then may affect one's ability to effectively manage physical health issues. I believe they often go hand in hand. But perhaps your experience is different & I respect that.
 
Managing physical health while in a coma is definitely an issue. It is also an issue if you are too poor to afford real food, & naturopathic paradise. It is also an issue if your world is telling you to do things for your physical health that are judgments of community both internalized and external Example: Take meds, don't take meds. These are not issues addressed by adminstration of mental health in our communities, or if they are only as a mention and not as the main focus of the reality. Being able to deal with anything so tangible in mental health as diabetis is unusual, but as it carries a solid statistic is likely to be more frequent than actual care of intensely needy mental illness issues.
 
Here are some other things that people with depression are heir to:

"1. Depressive Realism: Non-depressed people tend to be more optimistic: they think they've performed better in tasks than they actually have and predict better performance than they actually achieve in the future (Moore & Fresco, 2012).

Depressed people, in contrast, appraise their own performance more accurately.

2. People commonly think that depression is at least partly caused by big, bad life events.

This is true, but depression is also about the way people react to those events and indeed, ordinary, everyday stressors.

In one study, participants who had big emotional reactions to relatively small events were most likely to have suffered depressive symptoms when they were followed up ten years later (study described here: Can Everyday Hassles Make You Depressed?).

3. Adding insult to injury, it seems people who are depressed may also experience higher levels of physical pain.

A recent study found that those induced into a depressed state were less able to cope with pain (Berna et al., 2010). The lead author Dr Berna explained:

“When the healthy people were made sad by negative thoughts and depressing music, we found that their brains processed pain more emotionally, which lead to them [to] find the pain more unpleasant.”

4. People who are depressed have a tendency to over-generalise and abstract (“It’s all the same to me, I don’t care…”).

That’s why depressed people tend to have more generalised goals than those who are not depressed (Dickinson, 2013).

For example, depressed people may say to themselves: “I want to be happy,” but this gives no indication about how it will be achieved.

Non-depressed people, in contrast, are more likely to have specific goals like: “I will keep in touch with my family by phoning them once a week.”

Since they are so precise, specific goals are more likely to be achieved than generalised goals.

5. One of the lesser known symptoms of depression is its adverse effect on memory.

Over the years studies have shown that people experiencing depression have particular problems with declarative memory, which is the memory of specific facts like names or places (Porter et al., 2003).

Part of the reason for this may be that depressed people lose the ability to differentiate between similar experiences (Shelton & Kirwan, 2013). It’s another facet of the tendency to over-generalise.

Depression blurs other types of memory as well, though, including the ability to recall meanings and to navigate through space.

6. One example of this increased accuracy is in time perception.

A recent study has found that depressed people have a more accurate perception of time than the non-depressed (Kornbrot et al., 2013).

Explaining the results, Professor Diana Kornbrot said:

“The results of our study found that depressed people were accurate when estimating time whereas non-depressed peoples’ estimations were too high. This may be because mildly-depressed people focus their attention on time and less on external influences…”

Accurate time perception may not be much of a consolation for the depressed, but it does hint at how attention is allocated in depression and why depressed people often say that time seems to drag.

7. Since mindfulness is useful in battling depression, why not teach it to children?

A recent study has shown that teaching mindfulness in school reduces the likelihood of future episodes of depression (Raes et al., 2013).

If a child can learn to control their attention at a young age, they will hopefully have this gift for the rest of their lives.

8. One important symptom of depression is rumination: when depressing thoughts roll around and around in the mind.

Unfortunately you can’t just tell a depressed person to stop thinking depressing thoughts; it’s pointless. That’s because treating the symptoms of depression is partly about taking control of the person’s attention.

One method that can help with this is mindfulness. Mindfulness is all about living in the moment, rather than focusing on past regrets or future worries.

A recent review of 39 studies on mindfulness has found that it can be beneficial in treating depression (Hofmann et al., 2010).

(See: How Meditation Improves Attention.)

9. Precisely because of memory difficulties and depressed mood, it can be difficult for depressed people to remember the good times.

One technique that can help is creating an emotional ‘memory palace': a mental store of specific happy memories to travel back to when times are hard.

The study and the instructions are described here: The Surprising Power of an Emotional ‘Memory Palace’.

The research is at an early stage but may prove a useful tool for people experiencing depression.

10. It’s very clear that exercise makes you feel better for a short period, but can it really treat depression in the long-term?

A new review of 26 years of research finds that it can. These studies suggest that not only does exercise make people feel better in the moment, but it also helps to stop future episodes of depression (Mammen & Faulkner, 2013).

It’s little wonder that many have called for exercise to be prescribed by physicians for depression.

--from "Depression: 10 fascinating insights into a misunderstood condition"

So, who tells us that depression is 'bad' and that it and the person needs to be 'fixed'? Who benefits from that? Follow the money? :3 No wonder orgs like Scientology are really down on Psychiatrists :LOL:
 
A NY Times Article titled: Redefining Mental Illness

(my synopsis) It suggests that mental illness functions less like a thyroid problem that needs correction, as has been the popular view for awhile, and more like a condition that has a number of unrelated risk factors for developing (like a culmination of diet, exercise, weight, etc. for heart disease). It suggests that social experiences play a big role in who ends up getting a mental illness and who doesn't - so improving social experiences makes sense. And talk therapy is making a comeback (with perhaps not as much emphasis on medication) - the article calls the opportunity for patients to talk out their painful experiences "vital".

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/01/18/opinion/sunday/t-m-luhrmann-redefining-mental-illness.html?_r=0
 
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@Inannawhimsey

This is an awesome synopsis. I resemble most of these points except the one about time - I find that surprising - I am terrible with time (although now I wonder if that is more because I feel things more intensely and over generalise. Mindfulness and exercise help so much but at the same time are so difficult to start and maintain (I've been thinking about doing both of these things for weeks but can't start - activation is such a problem for me) - I do do some quick mindfulness things (e.g., at red lights I will practice mindfulness or I will remind myself to take in a moment rather than getting lost in my thoughts). I will say that mindfulness can help in the long run with ruminating thoughts but if you are in the thrawls of rumination, trying mindfulness will seldom work - one needs to replace the rumination with another activity. Things like holding on to ice or brain games help as does a quick burst of intense exercise (e.g., running up and down stairs as fast as you can). I wish there was more money for programs to help people do some of these things like mindfulness, exercise and eating nutritiously on a budget. As it is our Health network won't fund a therapy program (DBT) that helps people incorporate these things in their lives (and has changed mine).

Oh and you can't tell someone with anxiety to stop being anxious or that there is no reason to worry. We worry, it's what we do. Again, replacing the thoughts with other activities is the way to go. In fact, when you tell me that there is no reason to worry I feel ashamed which actually fuels my anxiety because I feel ashamed and/or I worry more because the worry is real for me and I don't think you are understanding the danger so I worry more that I am the only one who sees it or who can act.

May I steal your post?
 
Hi Inna:

From my personal experience with depression, I agree with most if not all of what you say about it.

What got me out of it was the insight that I am the creator of my conceptual reality, and that I might as well create for myself a better conceptual reality--and I did! And, miraculously, the real ontological reality adapted to my newly created conceptual reality! When I was depressed, I lived in a miserable world. Now I live in a divine world in which I am creator! This, I think, is a leap from being created to being creator while remaining created. A leap from being at cause to being at effect while remaining at cause.

This, however, is an insight that has to arise from within. One cannot simply tell a depressed person: "Just change your thinking!" In my case, arriving at this insight was helped by turning inward in quiet meditation and contemplation. Sure, meditation is a great relaxation exercise, and worth doing for this reason alone. But, to me, the main benefit of turning inward is that it can lead to freedom from suffering. Physical pain can still be there, but the mental suffering that comes form thinking depressive thoughts is gone!
 
I almost think we're talking about two different things when we're talking about neuroses versus psychoses.

Talk therapy during psychotic periods is a bit pointless. My interesting observation about my mother is that her memory of her psychotic periods, post-psychosis, was very minimal, and she remembered emotion from that period not at all. However, after a deep depression, her memory seemed intact, her emotional judgments of the period accurate. For us, as her family, her manias were something to live through, and try to ameliorate the damage of.
 
talk therapy during psychotic periods is hugely beneficial and amazing amounts of work and gain can and are done during these times, but it all hinges on trust between the people involved and massive skill on every level of the therapist. These requisites are so seldome filled so as to be mere specualtion in some cases, and some think fantasy and fiction. However, there can be a "convergence", I have been in therapy for so many years so as to have been able to experience it - once.
 
This is not a medical opinion...but I wonder if nearly all mental illness is on some kind of PTSD spectrum and how we each process traumatic events or perceived traumatic events (it's relative to each person's experience).


I can't speak to talk therapy for psychosis but for depression it is hugely beneficial - for someone to listen and let you get it out without a personal/ friend/ family bias in the way. What is entirely unhelpful is the obligatory "sounds like you're having a tough time - here are some pills, come back in two weeks". Or, maybe that's helpful for some, who'd like to just get on with it and don't have time for talking. I don't find it a helpful approach.
 
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Kim, you may have hit the onyx on the head and nailed the way to avert depression ... conceive that it is only a temporal thing!

It got me out of the pits (Nous?) eventually ... but then such cognizance is beyond the laws of authority ... they despise cognizance as too close to thinking and knowledge and ... "knowing thyself?"

Can you imagine such fool Ish Ness'd as a tangle with the psyche and all that white noise in de head part (de source)? :whistle:
 
:giggle::ROFLMAO:

Kim, you may have hit the onyx on the head and nailed the way to avert depression ... conceive that it is only a temporal thing!

It got me out of the pits (Nous?) eventually ... but then such cognizance is beyond the laws of authority ... they despise cognizance as too close to thinking and knowledge and ... "knowing thyself?"

Can you imagine such fool Ish Ness'd as a tangle with the psyche and all that white noise in de head part (de source)? :whistle:

Like, "this too shall pass"? :)
 
Early in the Bible is the hint at the floes of River Pison ... It may be some stinky thing coming from the thrones of gods ... Zeus in his own PEW?
Iannawhim started that thought in another string ... that is not completely dissociated ...:p ... and thus the wholly lick'n ... reindeire ruminate upon eM in frigid domains! They have a hard life without adequate lichens ... thus the deire thing called psyche goes on ... as a spirit albeit BLACK and outstanding in the subtle extension of lyre ... plucked strings on connectiveness and other dissociations, some non destructive! :love:
 
Hi Inna. You are my most admired poster here on the Cafe.:)
I almost think we're talking about two different things when we're talking about neuroses versus psychoses.

Talk therapy during psychotic periods is a bit pointless. My interesting observation about my mother is that her memory of her psychotic periods, post-psychosis, was very minimal, and she remembered emotion from that period not at all. However, after a deep depression, her memory seemed intact, her emotional judgments of the period accurate. For us, as her family, her manias were something to live through, and try to ameliorate the damage of.

My mother, during her manic rages, scared us children half to death, with spittle flying from the corners of her mouth. As a child, I thought this was the devil in her. This was just after the war, and no help was available, or she never sought any. After these manic rages she just acted as if nothing had happened, and maybe she did not remember what had happened.

I inherited the manic/depressive tendencies from her, but, thank God, managed to liberate myself from depression. I think, in a way, manic depressives are better of than people who are merely depressive because, during a particularly high manic high, they can leap of the swing, become creators of their conceptual reality, and fly away. Anyway, this has happened to me, but maybe does work for everyone. But I heartily recommend meditation, not only because it is relaxing, but also and mainly because it can lead to an insight that can liberate one forever from depression.

Soul and body have no bounds:
To lovers as they lie upon
Her tolerant enchanted slope
In their ordinary swoon,
Grave the vision Venus sends
Of supernatural sympathy,
Universal love and hope;
While an abstract insight wakes
Among the glaciers and the rocks
The hermit's carnal ecstasy.


-from Lullaby by W.H. Auden
 
Did you know that Venus is an oxymoron where as "v" in Greek is dah Nous, and thus the pitiful pain of being aware of great things ... and life was generated to allow bodies beyond the ordinary to escape hyper and hypo domains ... the high points and low experiences of psyche ... mire image of Venus? That's almost like a double spirit ... one white one black ... the black being an abstract and mysterious power that we're not aware of ... the un con science ... as something unseen? It goes on under the fabrication causing thoughts to be deep 6'D in the myth ...
 
Hi Inna. You are my most admired poster here on the Cafe.:)


My mother, during her manic rages, scared us children half to death, with spittle flying from the corners of her mouth. As a child, I thought this was the devil in her. This was just after the war, and no help was available, or she never sought any. After these manic rages she just acted as if nothing had happened, and maybe she did not remember what had happened.

I inherited the manic/depressive tendencies from her, but, thank God, managed to liberate myself from depression. I think, in a way, manic depressives are better of than people who are merely depressive because, during a particularly high manic high, they can leap of the swing, become creators of their conceptual reality, and fly away. Anyway, this has happened to me, but maybe does work for everyone. But I heartily recommend meditation, not only because it is relaxing, but also and mainly because it can lead to an insight that can liberate one forever from depression.

Soul and body have no bounds:
To lovers as they lie upon
Her tolerant enchanted slope
In their ordinary swoon,
Grave the vision Venus sends
Of supernatural sympathy,
Universal love and hope;
While an abstract insight wakes
Among the glaciers and the rocks
The hermit's carnal ecstasy.


-from Lullaby by W.H. Auden

It is very strange how different bipolar feels from the two sides of the equation. For the bipolar person, the manias make the depressions worthwhile, while for the family, the quiet of the depression is a tranquil relief from the anxiety and uncertainty of the mania.
 
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