On Scrubbing Church Toilets

[Luce NDs]

Christ's light, Luce, is carried with us.

The Church's a living body.

The Spirit calls us into change.

The stories that “slip about” are testimonies of God’s people learning to walk by faith.

Christ's the feast. The Host stays the same.

Our task's to let the light shine through us.

See change as ask.

The “upsetting” you feel's God’s way of stirring us from comfort into deeper discipleship.

The good news, Luce, is living. Breathing. Renewing

Ever get the idea you're preaching to the choir? The powers declare enlightened folk should stay in the dark ...

Then if a small flame moves into the shadow ... you see all that is hidden from the alternate folk ... those different than the rich and industrious receivers ...

Some folk worship the rich and powerful to the point of devastation of everything ... even the surroundings, environment and other dead ringers ...

At all fore points it seems things are shrivelling due to mismanagement of information and knowledge about nature and how she mothers ...

Thus 4 pts of failure: belief, movement, words and other social connections ... desocialization? Quick get out before the powers burn yah and blame it on the demonic communicators ...

Down they go into the descenters galley ... off center ... out there ... ballasttrades? Kind of like a counter wind ...

 

[Luce NDs]

Never say anything ordinary ... someone will get yah for an Eire in Gael ... even if none knows anything about nothing ...

Some minister spoke of this recently on FB and how Christianity was altered by something or other ... the alternate disturbed the greatest of leaders as he never read about it ... but so many were for the change that would eliminate them ...

There has to be something to it! Can you abstract self-destructive activity to the point of disbelief? Then you don't know how the end arrives ... one simply falls into the dark and unknown as a night function ... rest on it ...

It gets darker with the growing pall of not knowing ...

 

[Jaebius]

Ever get the idea you're preaching to the choir? The powers declare enlightened folk should stay in the dark ...

Then if a small flame moves into the shadow ... you see all that is hidden from the alternate folk ... those different than the rich and industrious receivers ...

Some folk worship the rich and powerful to the point of devastation of everything ... even the surroundings, environment and other dead ringers ...

At all fore points it seems things are shrivelling due to mismanagement of information and knowledge about nature and how she mothers ...

Thus 4 pts of failure: belief, movement, words and other social connections ... desocialization? Quick get out before the powers burn yah and blame it on the demonic communicators ...

Down they go into the descenters galley ... off center ... out there ... ballasttrades? Kind of like a counter wind ...

Where belief falters, Luce, Christ steadies. Where movement stalls, the Spirit breathes new wind. Where words are twisted, the Word speaks truth. Where social bonds fray, the Church's called to be family again! Desocialization becomes re‑socialization in Christ.

The good news's stubborn. It keeps sprouting in unlikely soil. Our task's to stand as witnesses that another kingdom's already breaking in

 

[unsafe]

When God intends to save, @unsafe, His Spirit renews the heart so that resistance's overcome. That's change!

Show me the scripture that says that Jaebius -------

The best doctrine's holding together Scripture's fullness.

And your not doing that ----your holding together the Doctrine of A Man called John Calvin

Salvation's applied through God's sovereign mercy.

Show me the Scripture that says that ------

Not all receive Christ because of unbelief.

you need to expand on that ----receive Christ as in being saved or receive Christ's doctrine ????-------Which is it ----and then I can respond -----with Scripture ----

Grace's applied effectually to those whom God calls.

Grace draws the person to have a heart change to hear the Gospel which inbirths Saving Faith in them -----which saves -----Belief in Jesus Christ and what He did on the Cross Saves the person - ------

And this Drawing is only effectual if the person accepts the Drawing -----as we have free will to refuse the draw ----Jaebius -----

My own experience here -----God had been Drawing on me for a long time and I refused to accept that draw ---God had to give me a frightening experience to get me to accept His drawing and have a heart change -----

Just like he had to put Job in the belly of the whale to accept His drawing -----Just like he had to make Paul's heart change by a frightening experience -----

His Grace is effectual only after we accept His Drawing by our own choice ---otherwise God saying humans have Free will to choose ---is a lie --God does not FORCE anyone to Come to Him Jaebius -----even as He draws them -----accept or reject ----

Exalt God's mercy, unsafe. Christ's faithfulness. The Spirit's power

I personally think here with this statement Jaebius ---you need to do some more research in what mercy ---faithfulness and the Spirit's power really is all about -----

I think you have to much Calvin Religiosity inbedded in you -----for my liking -----but that is your right to believe who and what you want to believe -----

Good Sparing with a fellow Believer ----we will agree to disagree ----

 

[Jaebius]

Show me the scripture that says that Jaebius -------


And your not doing that ----your holding together the Doctrine of A Man called John Calvin


Show me the Scripture that says that ------


you need to expand on that ----receive Christ as in being saved or receive Christ's doctrine ????-------Which is it ----and then I can respond -----with Scripture ----


Grace draws the person to have a heart change to hear the Gospel which inbirths Saving Faith in them -----which saves -----Belief in Jesus Christ and what He did on the Cross Saves the person - ------

And this Drawing is only effectual if the person accepts the Drawing -----as we have free will to refuse the draw ----Jaebius -----

My own experience here -----God had been Drawing on me for a long time and I refused to accept that draw ---God had to give me a frightening experience to get me to accept His drawing and have a heart change -----

Just like he had to put Job in the belly of the whale to accept His drawing -----Just like he had to make Paul's heart change by a frightening experience -----

His Grace is effectual only after we accept His Drawing by our own choice ---otherwise God saying humans have Free will to choose ---is a lie --God does not FORCE anyone to Come to Him Jaebius -----even as He draws them -----accept or reject ----


I personally think here with this statement Jaebius ---you need to do some more research in what mercy ---faithfulness and the Spirit's power really is all about -----

I think you have to much Calvin Religiosity inbedded in you -----for my liking -----but that is your right to believe who and what you want to believe -----

Good Sparing with a fellow Believer ----we will agree to disagree ----

You cannot fairly ask me to provide you with Scriptures before at the end of your post signing off from the dialogue

 

[unsafe]

You cannot fairly ask me to provide you with Scriptures before at the end of your post signing off from the dialogue

Well nothing stopping you from providing the scripture -----to back up what you believe ----I said we agree to disagree ----

So provide the scriptures and we will Spiritually have a look at them -----

 

[Mendalla]

Interesting how a discussion of scrubbing toilets ended up in a scriptural free-for-all. Such is Christianity, I guess. Of course, some might say it shows how it's all a load of (toilet contents) but I'll leave that for others. I don't actually go that far myself.

 

[Jaebius]

Interesting how a discussion of scrubbing toilets ended up in a scriptural free-for-all. Such is Christianity, I guess. Of course, some might say it shows how it's all a load of (toilet contents) but I'll leave that for others. I don't actually go that far myself.

Jesus washed feet, Mendalla, and in doing so He revealed that no service act's beneath love's dignity. When our discussions wander from mop buckets to mercy, I see it as a reminder that the sacred hides in the everyday.

I hear your caution about not going so far as to dismiss it all as... “toilet contents.” Thank you for that balance. My hope's that even in spirited debates, we all keep sight of grace

 

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Reactions:Jaebius

not surprised at your reaction cause was pretty sure there were no scriptures to Spiritually back up what you posted ----- ---but we can agree to disagree -----

 

[Luce NDs]

If you put faith on the other end of a questioning science ... how opposed can the scale get?

The very scale gets to be monstrous ... imagine the size of the fish and the catcher ... if primitive would he have caught on to the thing as a whale of an option? Expect a splash as the drama unfolds about battling conjugates ...

May resemble phospo lipids ... protonaceous? As prions these can limit life as we know it producing the great unknown without even having to think it through ...

Then there are those that would cut that short! Redacting a Nash ... that'd be colorless in and ancient tongue ... clear?

 

[Luce NDs]

Is there amusement to find yourself in the midst of a scientific faith forum ... or just medium dune?