On Scrubbing Church Toilets

[Jaebius]

well John Calvin's Truth is his truth not God's truth -there Jaebius ------

Man Made Reformed Religion is just that --Man on His own Reformed ------Reformed God's word to suit their own Theology --not God's word ---Be careful who you listen to ----

John Calvin says that only some get to heaven and that my friend goes soooo against what God says ---

anyway ----I will stay with Following the WAY and relying on the Holy Spirit to give me the Spiritual Rhema word of understanding the Scriptures ----not any Human made Reformed doctrine especially from a man like John Calvin ----Not a Fan of his doctrine at all -----just saying -----

I say lets follow the Word Who is Jesus ----not John Calvin

To caricature Calvin as saying “Only some get to heaven!” misses his teaching's heart, which's that heaven's given by divine grace.

Following Christ faithfully, unsafe, means humbly receiving Calvin's wisdom.

The Spirit works through the Church's collective discernment. To pit “Spirit” against “doctrine” is a false dichotomy.

Faithful doctrine's simply Spirit-guided reflection on Scripture.

Let's test all teaching against the Word. Let's remember, unsafe, that the Reformed cry's Soli Deo Gloria!

 

[Luce NDs]

What is spirit in the essence ... debatable as to whether positive or negative ... and questionable as to who should dip?

Thus that fey lady at the pool undecided as to whether to get into it or not ... powerful beasts say feyain't ... thus many recess ... others go iin relief as great to get out ...

Thus word was made malleable ... similar to black iron eh?

 

[unsafe]

Let's test all teaching against the Word.

Good advice here for sure -----

Let's remember, unsafe, that the Reformed cry's Soli Deo Gloria!

Well at least the reformed has something Right ------all Glory is to God Alone ------

Following Christ faithfully, unsafe, means humbly receiving Calvin's wisdom.

Good Luck with the wisdom that comes from your Man ---John Calvin -----

I will stick with the Spiritual Wisdom the Holy Spirit departs to Believers -----

 

[chansen]

I will stick with the Spiritual Wisdom the Holy Spirit departs to Believers -----

Absolutely. Look at how your witness has moved fellow WC members.

 

[Luce NDs]

One has to ask whether truth from a nasty source is better than from the alternate as they encounter one another in the unknown ... the middle ground between desire and observational qualities?

Is this conjugate or place for conflict ... where friends depart because of passion exploding?

Does his resemble two domains of psyche ... one fast and one inhibited or slower coming forth? Thus the hind thing ... in drag ...

Will the round thing go flat because of the drag? Duquette out ...

 

[unsafe]

No person can move unbelievers ----only God the Father can do that ----when people accept His Drawing ----and many on here it seems have refused that drawing -----just my observation -----

 

[Luce NDs]

No person can move unbelievers ----only God the Father can do that ----when people accept His Drawing ----and many on here it seems have refused that drawing -----just my observation -----

Have you considered how much disbelieve able stuff there is out there from people that have never ventured outside one book they were told was a biased law? But it was able to get by some that had special delinquencies in logos ... a form of word in intelligence? A great deal is not under the Zero Sum Law in which if something is made from nothing ... it has to be balanced ... or it is outside OH! No doh ...

As nothing to believers ... nothings will not be noticed in their flaming surroundings as it is all falling apart in a burn ... pigs in a hammy condition ...

 

[chansen]

No person can move unbelievers ----only God the Father can do that ----when people accept His Drawing ----and many on here it seems have refused that drawing -----just my observation -----

Well then God the Father is a lazy ass.

 

[unsafe]

No -----the people who are lagging all by their own selves of accepting God the Fathers Drawing to change the unbelieving heart to an acceptable Heart -are the ones who are the lazy asses ------Not God -----but the unbelieving like to blame God for their own rejecting of Him cause the unbelieving don't like taking the blame for their own choice to reject Him ---so they have to place the Blame on God being lazy -----

 

[Jaebius]

Good advice here for sure -----


Well at least the reformed has something Right ------all Glory is to God Alone ------



Good Luck with the wisdom that comes from your Man ---John Calvin -----

I will stick with the Spiritual Wisdom the Holy Spirit departs to Believers -----

Scripture tells us, @unsafe, that Christ gave “pastors and teachers” for the equipping of the saints (Eph 4:11–12).

The Spirit doesn't bypass grace's means. He works through them.

Calvin’s writings are a testimony to the Spirit’s work in history.

Don't you dare, unsafe, pit the Spirit against the gifts He's given.

To honour Calvin's to recognize how the Spirit has used him to guide believers into deeper faithfulness

 

[unsafe]

To honour Calvin's to recognize how the Spirit has used him to guide believers into deeper faithfulness

Jaebius -----Calvin has twisted scripture to suit his own doctrine called the Tulip Doctrine

 

[Luce NDs]

Can you imagine scripture in a warped condition within the realm of people with desires that overwhelm logic and intelligence?

Consider a BS that preaches great desire and downplays knowledge ... it has to be a closed circle! Thus intelligent folk are put out ...

I'm far too stupid ... I was restrained by the highly emotional collective ... for some differential!

It just won't go ...

Maybe tomorrow I can jump the line and transfer out ... transpiration? Hoo dah unk it ...

Something is unbalanced in the Game Theory as there is no zero as it should add up to nothing ... we must be on a bad winger ... I am told that spatial dimensions are supposed to be emptied ... like there's nothing tuit!

 

[unsafe]

Scripture tells us, @unsafe, that Christ gave “pastors and teachers” for the equipping of the saints (Eph 4:11–12).

You are not quite right in what your saying here Jaebius ------you need to Re-Read that scripture ---lets post 9-12 ----Jesus gave different gifts -----to different Saints ----for different purposes -----

So Jaebius ---lets not take scripture and read into what we want to read into it -----

Lets rely on the Holy Spirit ----(Not Calvin ) to guide us in Rightly Dividing the Word ---so we don't Wrongly Divide the Word and preach and Teach Wrongly as eternal lives are at stake -----

Ephesians 4:9-12 AMP

Unity of the Spirit​

​9 (Now this expression, “He ascended,” what does it mean except that He also had previously descended [from the heights of heaven] into the lower parts of the earth?

10 He who descended is the very same as He who also has ascended high above all the heavens, that He [His presence] might fill all things [that is, the whole universe]).

11 And [His gifts to the church were varied and] He Himself appointed
some as apostles [special messengers, representatives],
some as prophets [who speak a new message from God to the people],
some as evangelists [who spread the good news of salvation], and
some as pastors and teachers [to shepherd and guide and instruct],

12 [and He did this] to fully equip and perfect the saints (God’s people) for works of service, to build up the body of Christ [the church];

 

[Luce NDs]

In a life that is supposed to be free, especially in the following:

• Belief
• Movement
• Speech
• Press

Not to mention other things ... how often will you be given harsh rules because you are not to learn as the tree of knowledge is evil. Could it be to direct power to a tight fisted bunch that already know everything ... thus the peak out on a tall spike ... as Pede being nailed for pre judice regarding the cock's call ... about Hennessey ...

Then if you were directed to use blind faith ... what could you have observed to learn? Life is complex when living with ultimate authorities on what is far out beyond us ... being confined by tight authorities and all ... they don't obviously see the backflash because they were looking the wrong way or were feeling something alien ... as the urge to lead blindly!

Sometimes happens under cover in the dark when you are directed by feel ... curtesy of the dark angel Gabriel ... shadowy?

You really can't depend on many of the stern and stoic for assistance ... they are too busy winning ... especially over those rotten foreigners from north ... the south end being perfect for what it does.

 

[Jaebius]

Jaebius -----Calvin has twisted scripture to suit his own doctrine called the Tulip Doctrine

Calvin’s formulations, @unsafe, aren't beyond critique. If you feel you've a better doctrine, please share it

Critique must be honest and rigorous.

To wave away TULIP as distortion's to ignore the deep pastoral comfort it's given countless believers.

Our salvation rests on God’s unchanging mercy.

If we're to challenge Calvin, let's do so with Scripture in hand. With theodepth. With pastoral sensitivity!

The Church needs a faithful engagement with God's Word

 

[Luce NDs]

What exactly is God's word ... it appears very controversial as covering small points at one time and very large domains at other times ...

Reminds me of Franklin Graham's limitations of god ... use to a small choice of folk ...

Not a really wide perspective of four angles ...

 

[unsafe]

Our salvation rests on God’s unchanging mercy.

No -----our Salvation rests on inbirthed Christ;s Faith -----Jaebius ------Grace comes through Christ's Faith----

Grace makes available Salvation -Jaebius---Christ's Faith Receives that Graced Salvation ---

If you feel you've a better doctrine, please share it

The Better Doctrine is ------Following the True Doctrine ---Not what John Calvin spits out ----

What Calvin spits out here is a LIE -----Jaebius -----that is not what God's words says at all ---It is FALSE DOCTRINE --

Calvinists do not believe that just anyone can be saved. Instead, they believe in unconditional election and limited atonement , meaning God chose a specific group of people to save before time began


The True and Better Doctrine is -----Believing the WORD -----not MAN's Doctrine-----

1 Timothy 2:3-6 AMP​

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3 This [kind of praying] is good and acceptable and pleasing in the sight of God our Savior,

4 who [a]wishes all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge and recognition of the [divine] truth.

5 For there is [only] one God, and [only] one Mediator between God and mankind, the Man Christ Jesus,

6 who gave Himself as a ransom [a substitutionary sacrifice to atone] for all, the testimony given at the right and proper time.

Irresistible Grace ---is another Lie -----of Calvin ---

Better Doctrine is adhering to God's Word and a Spiritual understanding of God's Grace -----
that we were given free will to make a choice and we can make the Choice to resist God's Grace -----you see that right here on this sight ----

God Drawing to Himself for the change of heart in a person is not Irresistible ---we can resist God's Drawing ---God is drawing on peoples hearts everyday and they resist that draw ----

Deuteronomy 30

AMPC
I call heaven and earth to witness this day against you that I have set before you life and death, the blessings and the curses; therefore choose life, that you and your descendants may live

We have a choice to accept or reject God's Grace ------


And God's Grace in the New Testament is Jesus -----

John 1 Amp

14 And the Word (Christ) became flesh, and lived among us; and we [actually] saw His glory, glory as belongs to the [One and] only begotten Son of the Father, [the Son who is truly unique, the only One of His kind, who is] full of grace and truth (absolutely free of deception).

 

[Jaebius]

No -----our Salvation rests on inbirthed Christ;s Faith -----Jaebius ------Grace comes through Christ's Faith----

Grace makes available Salvation -Jaebius---Christ's Faith Receives that Graced Salvation ---


The Better Doctrine is ------Following the True Doctrine ---Not what John Calvin spits out ----

What Calvin spits out here is a LIE -----Jaebius -----that is not what God's words says at all ---It is FALSE DOCTRINE --

Calvinists do not believe that just anyone can be saved. Instead, they believe in unconditional election and limited atonement , meaning God chose a specific group of people to save before time began


The True and Better Doctrine is -----Believing the WORD -----not MAN's Doctrine-----

1 Timothy 2:3-6 AMP​

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3 This [kind of praying] is good and acceptable and pleasing in the sight of God our Savior,

4 who [a]wishes all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge and recognition of the [divine] truth.

5 For there is [only] one God, and [only] one Mediator between God and mankind, the Man Christ Jesus,

6 who gave Himself as a ransom [a substitutionary sacrifice to atone] for all, the testimony given at the right and proper time.

Irresistible Grace ---is another Lie -----of Calvin ---

Better Doctrine is adhering to God's Word and a Spiritual understanding of God's Grace -----
that we were given free will to make a choice and we can make the Choice to resist God's Grace -----you see that right here on this sight ----

God Drawing to Himself for the change of heart in a person is not Irresistible ---we can resist God's Drawing ---God is drawing on peoples hearts everyday and they resist that draw ----

Deuteronomy 30

AMPC
I call heaven and earth to witness this day against you that I have set before you life and death, the blessings and the curses; therefore choose life, that you and your descendants may live

We have a choice to accept or reject God's Grace ------


And God's Grace in the New Testament is Jesus -----

John 1 Amp

14 And the Word (Christ) became flesh, and lived among us; and we [actually] saw His glory, glory as belongs to the [One and] only begotten Son of the Father, [the Son who is truly unique, the only One of His kind, who is] full of grace and truth (absolutely free of deception).

When God intends to save, @unsafe, His Spirit renews the heart so that resistance's overcome. That's change!

The best doctrine's holding together Scripture's fullness.

Salvation's applied through God's sovereign mercy.

Not all receive Christ because of unbelief.

Grace's applied effectually to those whom God calls.

Exalt God's mercy, unsafe. Christ's faithfulness. The Spirit's power

 

[Luce NDs]

His Spirit renews the heart so that resistance's overcome. That's change! --- Jaebius!

Change is the last thing in an unmovable church ... pure fixation ... the change encountered is when you shift out of here to the OBI!

It is very upsetting to those that felt established at the feast ... and then found what was on the table ... essential reciprocation?

When you consider what happens to the light of Christ on arrival ... wouldn't you do something to get yourself out. Thus it all went dark as a GOB ... the "go" bio us? So it went ... slick! The stories are extensive ... as they slip about ...

 

[Jaebius]

His Spirit renews the heart so that resistance's overcome. That's change! --- Jaebius!

Change is the last thing in an unmovable church ... pure fixation ... the change encountered is when you shift out of here to the OBI!

It is very upsetting to those that felt established at the feast ... and then found what was on the table ... essential reciprocation?

When you consider what happens to the light of Christ on arrival ... wouldn't you do something to get yourself out. Thus it all went dark as a GOB ... the "go" bio us? So it went ... slick! The stories are extensive ... as they slip about ...

Christ's light, Luce, is carried with us.

The Church's a living body.

The Spirit calls us into change.

The stories that “slip about” are testimonies of God’s people learning to walk by faith.

Christ's the feast. The Host stays the same.

Our task's to let the light shine through us.

See change as ask.

The “upsetting” you feel's God’s way of stirring us from comfort into deeper discipleship.

The good news, Luce, is living. Breathing. Renewing