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NS was supposed to drop the masking mandate tomorrow. 73 cases yesterday and 66 today prevented that from happening. The majority of cases are in one northern community, which has a low vaccination rate. I am suspecting its a reserve, but no official wanted to say that out loud, because they didn’t want to start racist actions. October 4 will be the date when non essential places and events will only be open to vaccinated people. Including funerals and weddings if they are held in official places ( funeral homes, other event places). However, places of worship are exempt. I wonder if that will result in more church weddings. Or people will marry on private property, which is also exempt.
 
Northwind said:
They live in a part of the province with low vaccination rates. Last I heard, only about 50% or so was vaccinated there. The couple is in their 40's and in ICU. That would suggest they are unvaccinated. I know her aunt. This is not the time to ask though
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I thought wirh it being a coworker they may have been encouraging vaccinations where you saw that online. Hopefully they rebound quickly- that would be good for multiple people!
 
Waterfall said:
Well we can stay hostile and solve nothing. Our choice.....there are other solutions.....transfer to hospitals with more room for one.
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Have you looked at the numbets? Know a place where everyone can be sent? In the US someone who needed cardiac ICU had trouble being placed, 43 different hospitals were called.

I think there's a huge difference between telling people if you get covid and haven't received a vaccine you are the lowest priority when we need to decide who gets a bed vs. you have an issue due to long term lifestyle vhoices. Consider those on transplant lists, historically they have had to follow certain rules to get a transplant as organs are limited. Right now care capacities are limited, it could be done in an informal way.
 
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ChemGal said:
Have you looked at the numbets? Know a place where everyone can be sent? In the US someone who needed cardiac ICU had trouble being placed, 43 different hospitals were called.

I think there's a huge difference between telling people if you get covid and haven't received a vaccine you are the lowest priority when we need to decide who gets a bed vs. you have an issue due to long term lifestyle vhoices. Consider those on transplant lists, historically they have had to follow certain rules to get a transplant as organs are limited. Right now care capacities are limited, it could be done in an informal way.
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We did it the last time in ontario...we had many orange helicopters in the air. Or think outside the box....and do other things....now is not the time to stall with examples...solutions are needed.
 
Waterfall said:
We did it the last time in ontario...we had many orange helicopters in the air. Or think outside the box....and do other things....now is not the time to stall with examples...solutions are needed.
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They are moving people to other hospitals but there aren't unlimited hospitals to move them to.
Everyone who should get vaccinated actually doing so is a part of a solution. It's incredibly selfish not to.
 
ChemGal said:
I thought wirh it being a coworker they may have been encouraging vaccinations where you saw that online. Hopefully they rebound quickly- that would be good for multiple people!
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I haven't worked with her for years. She's the same profession as I am, so not a science degree.
 
Northwind said:
I haven't worked with her for years. She's the same profession as I am, so not a science degree.
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Still though, healthcare connected, even if retired. It's frustrating and exhausting considering the situation to see things like this which could (presumably in her case) be prevented.
 
It’s said 10-30% of the population have needle anxiety up to needle phobia. I wonder how many of those antivaxxers are actually just falling into that category. Our mind likes to grasp arguments and seemingly logical reasons to prevent us from feeling bad. My son suddenly pulls out fox news reports of horrible side effects.
If someone has allergies, we accept their being not vaccinated without questioning. Mental health reasons first require the insight of the person themselves which is a huge step, and then there is hardly any acceptance in the general public. “ …but it is just a small little needle”.
 
Needles are such a pain ... some pass out at the observation of one ... thus blindness! There's an expression for that condition ... vaguest vascular reaction or something near to wit! It is unclear ...
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
It’s said 10-30% of the population have needle anxiety up to needle phobia.
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I have needle anxiety and have never missed a shot. Admittedly, having quarterly bloods now that I'm diabetic has kind of cured it to a degree, but I just looked the other way and took a deep breath or two. So save the few where it is an actual phobia (which should be treated as a mental health issue) I don't think this is really a legitimate excuse.

And, honestly, do you believe that most of the anti-vax crowd would accept an oral vaccine more readily than an intramuscular or intravenous one? I have my doubts given the kind of propaganda they are listening to and distributing.
 
Waterfall said:
We did it the last time in ontario...we had many orange helicopters in the air.
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But that was just moving COVID patients to hospitals that still had ICU beds. It did nothing for people waiting for elective surgery. Those were still being cancelled or postponed. In fact, it meant that hospitals that could have had beds for elective surgery didn't because the province was making them take COVID patients from out of region. We were shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic with that, not fixing anything. Vaccinations, masks, distancing are the only way we are going to fix the healthcare logjam and prevent another one.
 
ChemGal said:
Still though, healthcare connected, even if retired. It's frustrating and exhausting considering the situation to see things like this which could (presumably in her case) be prevented.
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She's not retired and works(ed?) in comnunity services. She's 45.
 
I just heard that six classes of kids have been sent home from my youngest grandude's school. Of course, none of them are vaccinated because they are too young. This virus is starting to get very widely and wildly spread in NE Sask. Every day the number of new cases is higher. So frustrating to be able to do nothing to protect our little guy. It doesn't help at all listening to our son who could be described as a western redneck!
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
It’s said 10-30% of the population have needle anxiety up to needle phobia. I wonder how many of those antivaxxers are actually just falling into that category. Our mind likes to grasp arguments and seemingly logical reasons to prevent us from feeling bad. My son suddenly pulls out fox news reports of horrible side effects.
If someone has allergies, we accept their being not vaccinated without questioning. Mental health reasons first require the insight of the person themselves which is a huge step, and then there is hardly any acceptance in the general public. “ …but it is just a small little needle”.
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Really with the allergies? I see a ton of questioning on that.
A needle phobia is not a reason to spread antivax conspiracy crap, protest at hospitals etc.
Antivaxxers are antivaxxers.
And it is just a small needle. I say that as someone who has dealt with a needle phobia.
There are clinics for those with needle phobias.
 
I know someone who died yesterday. Would he be alive today if the healthcare system weren't so overwhelmed? Maybe.
Maybe the ambulance wouldn't have taken more than 20 minutes to arrive, lately there are no free ones available. Maybe if ICU beds were easier to come by the doctor wouldn't have declared him dead over the phone and he would have been brought to the hospital.
 
ChemGal said:
Really with the allergies? I see a ton of questioning on that.
A needle phobia is not a reason to spread antivax conspiracy crap, protest at hospitals etc.
Antivaxxers are antivaxxers.
And it is just a small needle. I say that as someone who has dealt with a needle phobia.
There are clinics for those with needle phobias.
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The reactions to my post seem to me to prove my point.
Fear in general leads to believing all kind of nonsense. It’s a “ what was first, the chicken or the egg”.

The psychology of the anti-vaccine movement

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Vaccinations *are* factoring into hospital admission when triage protocols are hit. Since a COVID patient who is vaccinated is more likely to survive than someone who is unvaccinated. Unfortunately that's not by choice, so someone who medically cannot get it factors in a similar way.
I wish it was sooner though, maybe more would go get it. No one should have to miss surgery that by delaying it is likely to lead to death or loss of function just because there are so many who are unvaccinated.
 
There's mention about having compassion for others.

What about those of us who are chronically ill? Who haven't been going to large gatherings period. Who have taken precautions all along. Who have had reduced levels of care, reduced treatment?
There are people who are sicker, are suffering with symptoms, who are anxious due to uncertainties with care. There are people who have died because of the effects to health care. People who are grieving.

All because people are selfish, who won't get over a phobia of a very tiny needle (there are larger needles) who insist on protesting in large groups, who block hospital access, who insist on indoor gatherings with many households when cases are high. Where the hell is there compassion for others?

If 95% of adults were vaccinated, the hospital system would be in much better shape. Rather important medical procedures wouldn't be getting cancelled as we see now. The restrictions that are being adding in wouldn't be to the extent that they are.

Does a needle phobia suck when getting a vaccine? Sure. You know what sucks more with it? Needing regular treatments, testing, care with a needle phobia. Uncertainties' with treatment, having to miss appointments due to isolation and reducing infection risks in clinics, dealing with protestors are other big factors to the stress.
 
Even on the right wing, there's acknowledgement that's there's a large amount of crossover between those who won't get vaccinated, protest at a hospital, promote dangerous health misinformation, won't follow COVID related laws, won't get tested, for those who do get tested won't isolate if positive and show up to hospital really sick instead of taking protestive measures, taking up an ICU bed.
 
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