Hmmm, you're right......I guess I thought that because I'm still seeing Pizza deliveries and kids on swings and such in the park.....is there a different date for all of that other than yesterday? Oh and Walmart parking lot is still full with absolutely no lineups at the door.....so it seems strange.
Novel Coronavirus
- Thread starter Waterfall
- Start date
Welcome to Wondercafe2!
A community where we discuss, share, and have some fun together. Join today and become a part of it!
Mendalla
Happy headbanging ape!!
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Actually, the province-wide rules go back to Easter. And the tightening announced yesterday started at midnight today.
Food delivery is still allowed as far as I know as is pickup. Only dining in, including patios, is banned.
And as I said upthread, they backed off the playground closure order after it was pointed out that this was not something the medical people had been requesting. They want more opportunities for outdoor activities, not less.
ChemGal
One with keen eye
- Pronouns
- She/Her/Her
What would stopping pizza deliveries help?
Also people do need to go where they don't live - caregiving, childcare, work. They need to be able to eat too.
I don't know....We listened to Ford yesterday and I could have sworn he said no food deliveries, but I guess not.
ChemGal
One with keen eye
- Pronouns
- She/Her/Her
I would hope not! Getting it delivered is way safer than shopping in person and either is better than starvation.
BetteTheRed
Resident Heretic
- Pronouns
- She/Her/Her
Deliveries are still fine.
Some keeners from the City of Barrie were very happy to wrap my local little parkette (three swings, a castle-y type thing with slide) in caution tape. Local kids seemed to be quite happy to "fix their premature actions" for them.
Some keeners from the City of Barrie were very happy to wrap my local little parkette (three swings, a castle-y type thing with slide) in caution tape. Local kids seemed to be quite happy to "fix their premature actions" for them.
Mendalla
Happy headbanging ape!!
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
It wasn't in any of the written articles on it that I saw and would definitely be another case of overkill.
ChemGal
One with keen eye
- Pronouns
- She/Her/Her
Why is Ontario so bad off? Not that things are great here, but per capita we have more COVID cases. and our hospitals aren't in quite as bad shape. Does ON have easy laid out data to compare? Like is it more per capita hospitalizations? If so due to different VOCs rates? Or are there actually more cases per capita there most likely, just not confirmed?
KayTheCurler
Well-Known Member
I get very confused by what gets reported. I wish everything was listed 'per capita' in addition to raw numbers.
Lastpointe
Well-Known Member
I think due to population Ontario has huge numbers though this morning I read Alberta has the most cases per capita. I agree it’s all very confusing
and it’s going to be until we get vaccines. It is heart breaking to see the disarray. From all levels of government. Federally, they have totally dropped the ball in vaccines. They failed to monitor border crossings. They had all these rapid tests they could have deployed to border crossings and airports. And didnt
provincially, except for Atlantic provinces, they cant decide between shutting down and opening up. They over react and under react. Then they look foolish on all sides
hind sight of course is 20/20 but now you read epidemiologists saying why didn’t they handle this like an election. Register everyone and then run through the list
people are scared. Frustrated. Fed up. Confused and basically just want to get their vaccines. Both doses
and it’s going to be until we get vaccines. It is heart breaking to see the disarray. From all levels of government. Federally, they have totally dropped the ball in vaccines. They failed to monitor border crossings. They had all these rapid tests they could have deployed to border crossings and airports. And didnt
provincially, except for Atlantic provinces, they cant decide between shutting down and opening up. They over react and under react. Then they look foolish on all sides
hind sight of course is 20/20 but now you read epidemiologists saying why didn’t they handle this like an election. Register everyone and then run through the list
people are scared. Frustrated. Fed up. Confused and basically just want to get their vaccines. Both doses
ChemGal
One with keen eye
- Pronouns
- She/Her/Her
I feel like the way data is present here is quite good. I'm not sure what ON has, going through all the different provinces is hard. There is a fair bit that is reported per 100,000, not all, but easy enough to convert myself if I want it.
ChemGal
One with keen eye
- Pronouns
- She/Her/Her
Some info - not being on my phone helps.
AB hospitalizations are about 2.6% of covid cases, ICU 0.5% based on what I thrown in for numbers now, the health info says 4.2% and 0.7% which isn't taken from just a snap shot, and as cases go up they snap shot numbers should be lower ie. a positive today isn't going to be in the hospital yet most likely.
ON doesn't appear to state active cases, but I can pull from elsewhere
ON I only see the potential to get a snap shot - so apples to apple:
3.8% and 1.3%
The why is harder to get the why. ON doesn't give me good age info. I do not have info on current VOC cases, just totals, and I don't know if the testing is comparable (AB can screen every positive up to 2000 cases a day which we aren't exceeding for now. I think it's different than sequencing ie. we have faster tests when variants are well known but this doesn't catch new variants. I only caught a brief mention though).
If I do TOTAL variants ie. not just active as a percent of total active cases - sort of an odd way to do it, but it's the numbers I have
Alberta has way more of the B.1.1.7 comparatively 90% vs. 61%
The B.1.351 don't show a significant difference, a bit higher in ON 0.1849% in AB, 0.1877% in ON
The P1 is higher in AB 0.97% vs 0.36%
So I would say the higher rates of hospitalization in ON aren't likely due to the variants, but I don't know if the numbers are really a great comparison if ON has much higher rates than testing.
AB hospitalizations are about 2.6% of covid cases, ICU 0.5% based on what I thrown in for numbers now, the health info says 4.2% and 0.7% which isn't taken from just a snap shot, and as cases go up they snap shot numbers should be lower ie. a positive today isn't going to be in the hospital yet most likely.
ON doesn't appear to state active cases, but I can pull from elsewhere
ON I only see the potential to get a snap shot - so apples to apple:
3.8% and 1.3%
The why is harder to get the why. ON doesn't give me good age info. I do not have info on current VOC cases, just totals, and I don't know if the testing is comparable (AB can screen every positive up to 2000 cases a day which we aren't exceeding for now. I think it's different than sequencing ie. we have faster tests when variants are well known but this doesn't catch new variants. I only caught a brief mention though).
If I do TOTAL variants ie. not just active as a percent of total active cases - sort of an odd way to do it, but it's the numbers I have
Alberta has way more of the B.1.1.7 comparatively 90% vs. 61%
The B.1.351 don't show a significant difference, a bit higher in ON 0.1849% in AB, 0.1877% in ON
The P1 is higher in AB 0.97% vs 0.36%
So I would say the higher rates of hospitalization in ON aren't likely due to the variants, but I don't know if the numbers are really a great comparison if ON has much higher rates than testing.
Carolla
wondering & wandering
- Pronouns
- She/Her/Her
It's really difficult to compare numbers from province to province as there is no standardized method of data collection. For example, I heard - I think it was in BC - admission to ICU with COVID is only counted for 7 days, then even if the person is still in ICU, they are not counted as a COVID ICU patient. Makes no sense to me.
ChemGal
One with keen eye
- Pronouns
- She/Her/Her
Yeah, it's complicated. Overall though, healthcare system wise I think it's safe to say ON is the worst off right now. Not sure why they were asking AB, BC and some others to send staff though, obviously we can't really spare them right now.
Northwind
Stationary nomad.
- Pronouns
- She/Her/Her
It sounds like some nurses from NF might be able to go. The Vancouver and Fraser Valley hospitals are struggling from what I understand. The hospital here is okay so far. I believe they could go from okay to overwhelmed fairly easily though since there is very little room to manoevre if things get busy. Like other health facilities, they've cut things to the bone.
JayneWonders
Administrator
- Pronouns
- She/Her/Her
I've read a couple of times here that real estate sales should be stopped.
I don't get that, and the ramifications are huge.
If you bought a house, with a plan to put yours on the market, and you can't...or you bought a house, then put your house on the market and you can't, there would be a cascade of real estate deals collapse. People would lose their deposits. Timelines for moves would be disrupted. For those who are building, they would still get their house, and also be stuck with their old house.
The sales are really low risk here. What is the concern that I am missing
I don't get that, and the ramifications are huge.
If you bought a house, with a plan to put yours on the market, and you can't...or you bought a house, then put your house on the market and you can't, there would be a cascade of real estate deals collapse. People would lose their deposits. Timelines for moves would be disrupted. For those who are building, they would still get their house, and also be stuck with their old house.
The sales are really low risk here. What is the concern that I am missing
BetteTheRed
Resident Heretic
- Pronouns
- She/Her/Her
I don't see a problem with real estate.
Where I see problems: factories, especially "food processing". Distancing is hard, the pace goes too quickly for care. Much construction, because it goes from outdoor to indoor pretty quickly, and requires close working; thinking drywall. Big box stores; too many people and then you get congestion; seen it in my "little store"; way worse in a big store; I would limit them to curbside pickup and delivery, why not let small businesses get a little bonus right now. Schools; kids try, teachers try, but they're just little hotbeds of infection. NO PAID SICK DAYS FOR PART-TIME/MIN WAGE WORKERS.
Where I see problems: factories, especially "food processing". Distancing is hard, the pace goes too quickly for care. Much construction, because it goes from outdoor to indoor pretty quickly, and requires close working; thinking drywall. Big box stores; too many people and then you get congestion; seen it in my "little store"; way worse in a big store; I would limit them to curbside pickup and delivery, why not let small businesses get a little bonus right now. Schools; kids try, teachers try, but they're just little hotbeds of infection. NO PAID SICK DAYS FOR PART-TIME/MIN WAGE WORKERS.
JayneWonders
Administrator
- Pronouns
- She/Her/Her
My son's home is being built, small company, often only one or two people in the house. Craftsmen. Think it may be different than say an apt being built
BetteTheRed
Resident Heretic
- Pronouns
- She/Her/Her
And a single custom home company way different than a subdivision. And we can't stop building things, or fixing things. I'm not sure why all sorts of businesses aren't adapting their policies/behaviours, etc.