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Ritafee said:
would your place of employment be up to the task of protecting you or might they throw you under the bus.
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Under the bus, for sure. Anyone who expects any kind of corporate ethics, is largely in denial, the very odd firm like @Mendalla's notwithstanding. I'm sorry about your relative, but it's gotta be marginally better for most people than the days when EVERYTHING was swept under the rug.
 
One Friday, when my paternal grandfather lined up for his pay he, and most of his workmates, were told that their jobs no longer existed. The nest day notices went up in the area stating that women could apply to work at the cotton mill. Of course, they were to do the jobs their men had been fired from, but for less pay. Little girls, too young to hold a paying job were taken out of school to take care of the little ones while the mothers worked at the mill. Sometimes a wee girl would hold a baby up to the mother's breasts while she continued operating a dangerous machine.

Fair? No.
Legal? Yes.
Other similar jobs available? No.
Unemployment payments? No.
Welfare type payments? No.

Fortunately, times evolve and change. Things became a bit easier for the working class as laws were enacted. Vaccines and medications were invented reducing the deaths from disease. The changing continues - but too slowly for some!
 
Wasn't it Scott Peck that spoke of corporate avoidance of responsibility leading to a lot of social destruction?

It could be a void of something or other ... a' hole in reality?
 
No. I have been reading this all morning. At committee various public health officials have been asked to explain. No explaination

when I have watched the Ontario docs press conferences they always show a range. If we do X this will be the result. If we add in Y then we get this and so on.

this makes no sense

i am getting tired of the secrecy. I am getting tired of shifting blame from the government to the people. Government did not prepare. Governments didn’t close the borders. Government did stop flights. Government has not bought the f...ing vacines.
but somehow they shift the blame to us
 
Yes. But they didn’t. Seem to share many options or have reasons at the press conference. That seems strange. Maybe it was done too fast or not enough prep?
 
The problem with Dr Tam's information is that it assumes all provinces have the same measures and is arguably Ontario-centric. I watched the BC briefing on Friday and Dr Gustafson said that our current measures will probably be enough. I suspect that could be said about measures in other provinces. I'd be more concerned about places like Ontario and Alberta where they don't seem to be following public health folks when they set their restrictions.
 
that was her point, though. it was showing what will happen if measures are not followed. (look at newfoundland's challenge right now)
 
Do Ford and Kenney even listen to their medical health officers?

Dr Gustafson did say there is no room for error.
 
Ritafee said:
calgarysun.com

Health officials can't explain Dr. Tam's "rocket ship" modelling

Canadian government health officials were at a loss to explain why new federal modelling shows such a wild trajectory when they appeared at a House of Commons healt…
calgarysun.com calgarysun.com

Anyone here able to make sense of this?
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Maybe it calculates in that people are still continue to be stupid and take their whole family for a visit down to the US if only grandma needs to go there. ( and even that is questionable). A pandemic is not a time for vacation or family visits. A covid test at the border only says that on that day, the person is not sick ( yet). Maybe they also have been saying that they will not self isolate on arrival- good reason to monitor them for that.
 
New cases have been trending down here for a while. Dine in was allowed and it seems like they are starting to trend up. It's been slow though and difficult to tell what's just noise, not happy that they are planning on moving forward with easing more of the restrictions. I feel like 3 weeks isn't enough time to really see the full picture.
 
Northwind said:
Do Ford and Kenney even listen to their medical health officers?

Dr Gustafson did say there is no room for error.
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I think Ford and Kenny are very different. And I certainly prefer what Kenny has chosen to what Legault has done. I get the feeling Kenny has listened, but makes choices based on what would benefit those who support him rather than what's best for all. I'm not happy with his choices, but at least there's logic to them. Quebec and Ontario just seem to have a mishmash of rules and many seem to lack supporting evidence.

I also think Alberta has been good with doing the vaccines and balancing getting out first doses to many while not waiting too long on 2nd doses. There was a lot of criticism about the phasing information not being put out until a few days ago. I don't think it was a bad thing though, I trusted different scenarios were already being planned. When we don't know the doses that will be given, the details of approval by Health Canada, etc. I think putting the information out there early can fuel anger and confusion. Based on some of the comments, it actually does seem more likely AstraZeneca will be approved for those 18-65 and the phasing realized builds some flexibility in that to accommodate that. Even with the announcement I was confused by questions asked about phase 4 - phase 3 is the general public. I suppose phase 4 could be children as well as newcomers and boosters/seasonal updates. I would expect phase 3 to include children if there are suitable vaccines then, but we don't know when that will be right now the youngest we have approval for is 16, and that's not all of the vaccines.

A TL;DR version

Kenny is selfish but for the most part knows what he's done
Ford is all over the place and incoherent - both in what is done and what he says
Quebec is hard to comment on the messaging, I don't see it. The decisions seem illogical to me.
 
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