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Kimmio Laughterlove said:
For decades, we’ve been expected to go to work sick. That’s changed. Which is good. It used to be that many if not most workplaces required a doctors note after 3 days. Which must’ve been started by abusive control freaks. Greedy, greedy capitalists. It’s literally abusive to guilt trip employees and make them jump through hoops while sick. Colds are contagious for longer than that, and it takes most people longer than that to recover. If one is sick with a bad cold the last thing they need is to be hauling themselves to the doctors office to sit with others and get them sick/ catch something else. They figured that out with covid. But never with bad colds and flu.
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Well in all fairness alot of employees thinks it's "noble" to show up for work even when they're sick.
 
Mendalla said:
It certainly is for the Chinese. I've seen them wearing masks during cold and flu season since long before COVID.
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No one mentions that the Chinese wear masks routinely – to protect themselves from pollution – but the masks made no difference to the spread of the coronavirus causing covid-19 in China. How much evidence do the mask wearers want before they will see the truth?

Everyone who owns more than one suit seems to be determined to share their view about masks. And their views are all the same: we must wear masks if we are to survive. Economists, professors of anything, engineers, bankers, teachers, company directors and golf course management executives are all of one mind: we must all wear our masks except when we are in an office where the virus apparently has no capacity to do harm.

Astonishingly, and inexplicably, the media is giving yards of space and broadcasting hours to these people – but denying space or time to those who simply want to provide truth and common sense.

The only group being ignored on this subject are medical doctors – and outside government employment, their views are pretty well consistent: masks aren’t just useless, they actually do more harm than good and will lead to the exacerbation of illness in those who are already ill and the creation of illness in those who were previously well.

The truth is being suppressed and the lies exaggerated in a way I have never known before.

What will happen next?

Will masks become part of the Chrislam deal?

Perhaps, in a year, they will say that women are super spreaders and must wear masks all the time. Men will be allowed to go without masks.

Telling the truth has always been a crime in fascist and totalitarian regimes.

It is our duty to laugh at them.

- Vernon Coleman
 
The participant who triggered a global shutdown of AstraZeneca’s Phase 3 Covid-19 vaccine trials was a woman in the United Kingdom who experienced neurological symptoms consistent with a rare but serious spinal inflammatory disorder called transverse myelitis, the drug maker’s chief executive, Pascal Soriot, said during a private conference call with investors on Wednesday (Sept 9) morning.

The board tasked with overseeing the data and safety components of the AstraZeneca clinical trials confirmed that the participant was injected with the company’s Covid-19 vaccine and not a placebo, Soriot said on the conference call, which was set up by the investment bank J.P. Morgan.

Soriot also confirmed that the clinical trial was halted once previously in July after a participant experienced neurological symptoms. Upon further examination, that participant was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, deemed to be unrelated to the Covid-19 vaccine treatment, he said.

See how that works ... I am not allowed to discount Covid Deaths with instead of from ... but vaccine trials are ...
 
Ritafee said:
No one mentions that the Chinese wear masks routinely – to protect themselves from pollution – but the masks made no difference to the spread of the coronavirus causing covid-19 in China. How much evidence do the mask wearers want before they will see the truth?

Everyone who owns more than one suit seems to be determined to share their view about masks. And their views are all the same: we must wear masks if we are to survive. Economists, professors of anything, engineers, bankers, teachers, company directors and golf course management executives are all of one mind: we must all wear our masks except when we are in an office where the virus apparently has no capacity to do harm.

Astonishingly, and inexplicably, the media is giving yards of space and broadcasting hours to these people – but denying space or time to those who simply want to provide truth and common sense.

The only group being ignored on this subject are medical doctors – and outside government employment, their views are pretty well consistent: masks aren’t just useless, they actually do more harm than good and will lead to the exacerbation of illness in those who are already ill and the creation of illness in those who were previously well.

The truth is being suppressed and the lies exaggerated in a way I have never known before.

What will happen next?

Will masks become part of the Chrislam deal?

Perhaps, in a year, they will say that women are super spreaders and must wear masks all the time. Men will be allowed to go without masks.

Telling the truth has always been a crime in fascist and totalitarian regimes.

It is our duty to laugh at them.

- Vernon Coleman
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Chislam? Omg. Rita. A giveaway that this is far right propaganda being facilitated by right wing libertarians is the word “Chrislam”. They want you to think they are not the fascists. That’s what they do. They put all their resources into influencing minds, until it leaks into every crack and crevice of society. Snap out of it!

It’s sad actually. Frustrating and sad, to see people used like this.

Nobody here will ever change your mind with reason. And you will never change theirs with this stuff you post.
 
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Ritafee said:
No one mentions that the Chinese wear masks routinely – to protect themselves from pollution – but the masks made no difference to the spread of the coronavirus causing covid-19 in China. How much evidence do the mask wearers want before they will see the truth?

Everyone who owns more than one suit seems to be determined to share their view about masks. And their views are all the same: we must wear masks if we are to survive. Economists, professors of anything, engineers, bankers, teachers, company directors and golf course management executives are all of one mind: we must all wear our masks except when we are in an office where the virus apparently has no capacity to do harm.

Astonishingly, and inexplicably, the media is giving yards of space and broadcasting hours to these people – but denying space or time to those who simply want to provide truth and common sense.

The only group being ignored on this subject are medical doctors – and outside government employment, their views are pretty well consistent: masks aren’t just useless, they actually do more harm than good and will lead to the exacerbation of illness in those who are already ill and the creation of illness in those who were previously well.

The truth is being suppressed and the lies exaggerated in a way I have never known before.

What will happen next?

Will masks become part of the Chrislam deal?

Perhaps, in a year, they will say that women are super spreaders and must wear masks all the time. Men will be allowed to go without masks.

Telling the truth has always been a crime in fascist and totalitarian regimes.

It is our duty to laugh at them.

- Vernon Coleman
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It was NEVER said that masks prevent people from contracting COVID, it is just one tool to help stop the spread.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
Chislam? Omg. Rita. A giveaway that this is far right propaganda being facilitated by right wing libertarians is the word “Chrislam”. They want you to think they are not the fascists. That’s what they do. They put all their resources into influencing minds, until it leaks into every crack and crevice of society. Snap out of it!

It’s sad actually. Frustrating and sad, to see people used like this.

Nobody here will ever change your mind with reason. And you will never change theirs with this stuff you post.
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Please stop with your telling me what I am allowed to read or post and please comment on more than one word in the posts that I do choose. Do not tell me to snap out of it again. You don't like it when people do it to you ... stop thinking you are entitled to do it to me. Comment on the context of what I posted which started out with Chinese wear masks because of pollution and inspite of that they did have an outbreak of corona?
 
Pontifex Geronimo 13 said:
The way it works is that it reminds people to be scared. The fact that anybody can make a mask out of anything is proof that it is just a fear campaign. Why don’t they just make us wear yellow stars?
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Like anyone would be dumb enough to fall for that old trick ... besides that would be antisemitism ... perhaps something mocking the Russians ... that is always allowed ...
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:

On Canada’s slow response. However...I do get that they didn’t want people to panic. We’ve never been through anything like this in our lifetimes. I think Bonnie Henry has been handling it well - health authorities should follow her lead (though the numbers are going up, I think they will go down again when it gets cooler out. People stay home more anyway, when it’s cold and raining cats and dogs, and they travel less (Bette who drove across Canada a few years ago, and camped in the rain for days in the fall is a rare and brave exception. Summer travel this year helped the covid numbers go up. Though... cold and flu season... and indoor transmission...I don’t know. That might make matters worse actually.) Bonnie Henry got people to take it seriously without panicking. I don’t think she’s lied - she’s been honest yet calm, kind, and realistic.

But was Canada - including our officials - given the whole picture of what was known?
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Thanksgiving, Trick or Treating, Christmas. I don't have a super positive outlook.
Outdoor gatherings are much safer than indoors.

Summer has a lot of options for people to do. There was a fair bit of outdoor exercising as just one example - individual or group. When the snow starts I expect to see more people doing it inside, and not just in their own homes.
 
Waterfall said:
IMO, it helps among other things.
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IYO ... should there be a fine for non-compliance?

GATINEAU, QC. -- People in Quebec who are not following public health guidelines—specifically, people who are not wearing a mask indoors—will now face harsh penalties.

New provincial measures came into effect Saturday that allow authorities to impose fines of up to $6,000 for non-compliance.

Quebec was the first province to mandate masks indoors and now it is the first to impose stiff penalties.

“We cannot accept that the few irresponsible people put all Quebec people at risk, it’s time to penalize them,” said Quebec Premier François Legault on Thursday, while announcing the new measures.

“I don’t have a problem with it at all, if it helps encourage people following the rules, just the way it is,” said one Gatineau resident who spoke to CTV News on Saturday.

The measure is in place across the province and applies to all indoor public places.

“It’s our responsibility right, for us, and of course in the social community, so I think it’s a good idea,” said Marie-France Roy, owner of Le Local, a clothing boutique in Gatineau.

Roy said getting patrons to wear a mask has not been an issue so far, but she said she’s happy the business isn't the only one responsible if rules aren’t being followed.

“They have it in their pocket, and they would come in, oh yeah, or my husband has it in the car, or I forgot it at home, but not anymore, definitely not anymore,” she said.

With the new measures in place, the Quebec government has asked police to increase their presence in certain indoor areas and is asking citizens to be vigilant about each other’s behaviour.

“There’s a lot of people who still don’t seem to get the implications of not wearing a mask, whether or not it affects them directly, it’s sort of up in the air at this point, but I think it’s certainly warranted,” a Gatineau resident told CTV News.

However, some remain sceptical about whether fines will have an impact.

“No, I don’t think it’ll work...I really don’t,” another Gatineau resident told CTV News
 
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