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Do you think it’s child abuse to make kids wear boots in the snow if they want to go barefoot? @Ritafee Is it child abuse to make them wear a sunhat or sunscreen (I’m guessing you probably have reservations about sunscreen, so, sunhat is a good enough example - weather appropriate clothing in general) so they don’t get a blistering sunburn? Masks are ‘weather’ appropriate clothing.
 
Here's my dilemma. Ask me to wear a mask when I'm in a store, for a max 20-30 mins, no problem. However, ask me to wear a mask for a 5 hour shift, and also take away my $2/hr premium? Not so cool.
Ask me to wear a mask anytime ... no problem. Force me to wear a mask ... ever ... Not so cool.
Are you saying you get paid $2hr extra to wear a mask ?
 
As a general rule I do not choose to frequent any establishment that requires me to wear a mask. I am absolutely opposed to children being forced to wear masks as a habit ... I consider it child abuse. If you really 'believe' in masking the way you profess you do ... then I expect you will be wearing a mask for the rest of your life now ?
Do you lecture people wearing masks, in the store, about this? Do you tell them that their kids wearing masks is child abuse? How do they react, if so?
 
Do you think it is child abuse to let a kid walk in the snow barefoot if they really want to?
Yes. Unless it’s for a second or two in a familiar area, supervised, and they’re not going to be harmed. If they just dip their feet in, and stomp a couple of times, ok. But, yes, knowingly just letting them walk barefoot down the street, or play in the yard barefoot in the snow, anytime they feel like it, is child abuse, imo. I don’t think anyone reasonable would argue that ... they could lose some toes - maybe lose their feet - from frost-bite and/ or cut themselves on something sharp under the snow and not feel it, and they don’t understand the danger, so it’s up to adults to look out for their safety.
 
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Does the habit of wearing a seatbelt in a moving vehicle prevent accidents?
Why do they not have seatbelts on school buses?
I don’t know why there aren’t seatbelts on school buses.

It doesn’t prevent accidents. It does prevent more deaths in accidents, than not wearing seatbelts.
 
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I would like this to increase mask wearing in medical settings for the future actually. Sometimes it happens during flu season, mostly urgent care, some busy clinics I've seen it too - and just for people with flu symptoms.
When you consider the risk factors of some though, it could likely help if visitors and people coming in and out short term would wear masks.
 
I would like this to increase mask wearing in medical settings for the future actually. Sometimes it happens during flu season, mostly urgent care, some busy clinics I've seen it too - and just for people with flu symptoms.
When you consider the risk factors of some though, it could likely help if visitors and people coming in and out short term would wear masks.
Yeah. We should’ve been doing that before this happened. In some countries it’s long been common courtesy to wear a mask if one is sick. It wasn’t legislated, it was/ is a cultural norm. I used to think it was odd seeing people wear them on the bus. I no longer think that. I always hate sitting in a waiting room, with people obviously sick with respiratory infections, worried I’m going to catch something worse than what I came in for. And doctors can’t afford to be getting sick. We need them. And if they see lots of sick patients in a day, it totally makes sense to wear a mask and to protect their patients who may be vulnerable - and even if they aren’t necessarily vulnerable. Nobody wants a nasty cold to knock them out of commission for a week or two, let alone covid that could kill them. Doctors should be able to take breaks and take off their masks between patients - in a private staff room or office, staff only bathroom, etc. - and out of other peoples’ way.
 
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On Canada’s slow response. However...I do get that they didn’t want people to panic. We’ve never been through anything like this in our lifetimes. I think Bonnie Henry has been handling it well - health authorities should follow her lead (though the numbers are going up, I think they will go down again when it gets cooler out. People stay home more anyway, when it’s cold and raining cats and dogs, and they travel less (Bette who drove across Canada a few years ago, and camped in the rain for days in the fall is a rare and brave exception. Summer travel this year helped the covid numbers go up. Though... cold and flu season... and indoor transmission...I don’t know. That might make matters worse actually.) Bonnie Henry got people to take it seriously without panicking. I don’t think she’s lied - she’s been honest yet calm, kind, and realistic.

But was Canada - including our officials - given the whole picture of what was known?
 
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I would like this to increase mask wearing in medical settings for the future actually. Sometimes it happens during flu season, mostly urgent care, some busy clinics I've seen it too - and just for people with flu symptoms.
When you consider the risk factors of some though, it could likely help if visitors and people coming in and out short term would wear masks.

I've noticed that most people at our hospital are wearing masks now. This seems to have changed in the last month or so. I got my port removed on Thursday and that was done in the OR. We were all given a hospital mask and were asked to wear it the entire time. Of course staff were wearing masks or were behind plexiglass. I agree, it's a good idea. I was very glad to remove it after five hours too.
 
But was Canada - including our officials - given the whole picture of what was known?

they knew and didn’t handle it well

I had a doctor's appointment in January 22. (I remember the date because it was the day after my sister's birthday) My doctor knew a pandemic was coming, so I'm sure the leaders did too.

We don't know what preparations were being done behind the scenes. A lot of how Canada and provinces responded was good. I do think they could have done better, and perhaps started earlier.

Of course hindsight is 20/20. How would we have responded if there had been measures taken sooner? Did we need to see for ourselves before we responded?

This was unprecedented and I'm glad I wasn't involved in the leadership.
 
We should’ve been doing that before this happened. In some countries it’s long been common courtesy to wear a mask if one is sick. It wasn’t legislated, it was/ is a cultural norm.

It certainly is for the Chinese. I've seen them wearing masks during cold and flu season since long before COVID. They also were ahead of the government on taking precautions like self isolating when returning from trips and such. Our government actually told them it was unnecessary.
 
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It certainly is for the Chinese. I've seen them wearing masks during cold and flu season since long before COVID. They also were ahead of the government on taking precautions like self isolating when returning from trips and such. Our government actually told them it was unnecessary.
I remember the first chartered plane back from Wuhan. They definately had to isolate. A coworker who had been visiting family in a different province, in Feb, had to isolate before he left and after he returned.
 
For decades, we’ve been expected to go to work sick. That’s changed. Which is good. It used to be that many if not most workplaces required a doctors note after 3 days. Which must’ve been started by abusive control freaks. Greedy, greedy capitalists. It’s literally abusive to guilt trip employees and make them jump through hoops while sick. Colds are contagious for longer than that, and it takes most people longer than that to recover. If one is sick with a bad cold the last thing they need is to be hauling themselves to the doctors office to sit with others and get them sick/ catch something else. They figured that out with covid. But never with bad colds and flu.
 
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