Yeah, well good for you.
I knew what I was asking Rita, and was hinting that I knew that she mostly cites American sources as basis for her opinions. And I get accused of black and white thinking all the time.
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I knew what I was asking Rita, and was hinting that I knew that she mostly cites American sources as basis for her opinions. And I get accused of black and white thinking all the time.
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Sorry, it was stupidly nitpicky of me. I'm cranky today.Yeah, well good for you.
I knew what I was asking Rita, and was hinting that I knew that she mostly cites American sources as basis for her opinions. And I get accused of black and white thinking all the time.
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Hugs, chemgal, and for anyone else who could do with a virtual hug today.
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Thanks, just been pushing myself a little bit too much lately I think.
Ritafee
Is Being Human
Facts as found on the official CDC page around a specific pandemic versus Trump Derangement Syndrome ... as the basis for all your opinions about everything in the whole wide world.
Rightio.
There was no "Trump derangement syndrome": We were right about him all along - Salon.com
Those of us who warned America that fascism was coming were called hysterical alarmists. How does that feel now?
www.salon.com
Ritafee
Is Being Human
That is an opinion piece and has nothing to do with CoronaThere was no "Trump derangement syndrome": We were right about him all along - Salon.com
Those of us who warned America that fascism was coming were called hysterical alarmists. How does that feel now?
Here's one ... Canadian Mainstream Media ...
Canadian police using controversial ‘predictive policing’ tools, report finds | Globalnews.ca
An expert group has called on the federal government to protect residents from the potential perils of such tactics.
globalnews.ca
Ritafee
Is Being Human
SWEDEN +++“We didn’t do that much wrong”
In August doubts and justified self-criticism have faded. Tegnell’s strategy has paid off and perhaps pointed the way forward for other countries in the corona crisis. The isolation of old and sick people, the risk groups, was one of his primary goals, otherwise normality should govern everyday life. Keeping a distance and paying attention to hygiene measures were Tegnell’s creeds from the beginning of the pandemic, and targeted passive immunization was the goal. That is how he is convinced at the beginning of August, and the figures currently prove him right, that Sweden has not done much wrong. “I think it was a great success,” says Tegnell in an interview with the portal “unherd.com” about his strategy. “We are now seeing rapidly decreasing numbers of cases, we had continuously functioning health care, there were free beds at all times, there was never a crowd in the hospitals, we were able to keep schools open, which we think is extremely important.”
Lockdown is not the patent solution ...
However, Tegnell is currently concerned about the worldwide increase in infections. But he has taken the wind out of the sails of the critical voices regarding his own corona strategy for the time being. While the lockdown states are very nervous in the face of the wide wave, the Swedes are largely immunized. If one were to rely on mass contact blocks in Europe, the case of Sweden shows that there are other ways. And while the lockdown in Germany sent the economy into the basement, domestic violence rose in proportion to the quarantine, the prescribed loneliness literally tore souls apart, there was no dramatic escalation of mental suffering in Sweden. Even the Swedish economy had only made a small dent in its renunciation of a total lockdown. The country only has to reckon with a drop in economic output of just 1.5 percent. Germany’s economy, on the other hand, slumped by more than 10 percent. It is an ice-cold economic slump and at the same time the most severe crisis of the post-war period.
No wonder that many a Swede is proud of this state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell and likes to have the image of the corona fighter tattooed on his arm.
By Stefan Groß-Lobkowicz
Ritafee
Is Being Human
A medical advisor to Boris Johnson, Prof. Mark Woolhouse, a member of the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Behaviours, has actually admitted that the government had no idea what it was doing and so completely panicked with lockdowns.
This is a hugely significant admission. Of course he is only saying what thousands of independent experts have said for many months. But we should appreciate just how much courage it requires for a person in his position to come forward with such a frank admission.
And in Europe, we see signs and hints of admission. The Telegraph headlined: Europe is at last waking up to its lockdown folly by Sherelle Folly:
This is a hugely significant admission. Of course he is only saying what thousands of independent experts have said for many months. But we should appreciate just how much courage it requires for a person in his position to come forward with such a frank admission.
And in Europe, we see signs and hints of admission. The Telegraph headlined: Europe is at last waking up to its lockdown folly by Sherelle Folly:
Politicians Are Writing Off Disabled Lives Amid the Pandemic
Ableism has pervaded the failed response to the coronavirus.
foreignpolicy.com
Bean cautious of who and what one relates to in life is critical ... considering what you could catch! Imagine fishy material and curious non-material Ide 'M's ... dark manna of rye bread?
Must admit it goes well with hardy soups tho' ... imagine those two bros' cooking on the archaic savanna ... always competition in the story as the subject aims to beta the object!
Must admit it goes well with hardy soups tho' ... imagine those two bros' cooking on the archaic savanna ... always competition in the story as the subject aims to beta the object!
Ritafee
Is Being Human
Well in Utah this is how they are handling that ...
If a criminal prosecution is sought, a school employee or a student — including those in kindergarten — could face a class B misdemeanor. That is the standard for any violation of a public health order, Lehnardt added. And it can be punished with a sentence of up to six months in jail and a fine of up to $1,000. That is the same level of charge, for example, as a first offense for driving drunk.
Utah students and staff who don’t wear masks in schools can be charged with a misdemeanor
Students and staff in Utah who don’t wear a mask in K-12 schools <a href="https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/07/09/utah-reports-new-covid/" target=_blank>in accordance with the governor’s mandate</a> can be charged with a misdemeanor.
Well in Utah this is how they are handling that ...
If a criminal prosecution is sought, a school employee or a student — including those in kindergarten — could face a class B misdemeanor. That is the standard for any violation of a public health order, Lehnardt added. And it can be punished with a sentence of up to six months in jail and a fine of up to $1,000. That is the same level of charge, for example, as a first offense for driving drunk.
Utah students and staff who don’t wear masks in schools can be charged with a misdemeanor
Students and staff in Utah who don’t wear a mask in K-12 schools <a href="https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/07/09/utah-reports-new-covid/" target=_blank>in accordance with the governor’s mandate</a> can be charged with a misdemeanor.www.sltrib.com
Thus equivalence with Guatemalan children experiencing Trumpean separation? Cagy ...
That’s interesting because I read that the Utah bilaws were enforcing...I think it was a $55 dollar fine for people not wearing masks in public buildings or in large gatherings and spaces where proper social distancing is not possible, and children up to 5 years old were exempt. Schools would be public buildings (or private buildings - either way, where social distancing isn’t feasible), and kindergarten children would be 5 and under. So that’s confusing.
Ritafee
Is Being Human
Indeed ...
Even in my relative comfort ... this new and confusing corona-religion is hard to ignore.
I wonder how long I am expected to continue to turn a blind eye to the global suffering being enforced in it's name sake.
All so that the privileged can feel safe from a virus that thankfully kills so few?
The lives of hundreds of millions of innocent people with exponentially less than us hang on our level of alarmism.
Again, there’s so much we don’t know.
But what about what we do know?
The current hospitalization rate for those infected with the virus is a small percent.
A big percent of all coronavirus deaths have been tied to nursing homes.
A big percent of coronavirus deaths are with the virus as opposed to having died directly because of it.
A really big percent of deaths occurred among individuals with “underlying medical conditions”.
It is now very apparent that death counts related to the virus are overstated.
What we are dealing with now is a pandemic of casedemic ... and the majority of cases ... not even symptomatic?
What I knew before and what has been proven now is this ...
The Best Virus Response Is Less Government, Not More.
Any laws or rules meant to limit its spread are superfluous.
Really, what about the high possibility of sickness or even death requires a law?
People don’t need to be told to not hurt or kill themselves or endanger other's lives as a 'general rule'.
No reasonable person would seek to expand government power over human action during the spread of a virus.
Those who revel in being told what to do will respond that not everyone is rational when it comes to protecting themselves.
So true. Because accepted wisdom rarely ages well.
Think back to AIDS in the 1980s, and the popular view that it could be spread by people merely existing in the same room.
Those who don’t share the alarmism of doctors like Anthony Fauci or technocrats like Bill Gates - individuals who in no way face the risk of going without food, shelter or life’s comforts if it turns out they’re wrong - can tell us if those who aim to protect us are wrong or right.
Fauci was the doctor who told us in 1983 a husband could pass on AIDS to his wife just by being in the same room.
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The question remains: Is there any penalty in the nation's public health system for predictions that proved inaccurate but left widespread, unfounded fear in their wake?
Back in 1983, one scientist and doctor was sole author of a paper in the prestigious medical journal JAMA which stated that AIDS might be transmissible through “routine close contact, as within a family household.” That turned out not to be true, of course, but in the meantime the media had widely propagated the myth, naturally setting off a wave of hysteria.
Nevertheless, within months the author was promoted to chief of the National Institutes of Allergies and Infectious Diseases, a position he still holds. The author’s name? Dr. Anthony Fauci."
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When AIDS first started happening, infectious disease experts didn't know anything about it. There was speculation about how it worked. It took time to sort out. Also, wives may have been scared and reluctant or ashamed to talk about having had sex with their husbands who had AIDS. And that time it was mostly being spread between men. And there was extreme shame around it.
A lot has been learned since then. Fauci is not to blame in this current crisis.
Lastpointe
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A part of me really agrees with you Rita. A massive cultural shift around the globe to combat this unknown virus.
For the most part I think lots of the rules are unnecessary. We neglected our seniors and they paid for it dearly. The rest of us are pretty much going along as normal except without jobs. And I worry that now as we are moving forward we are no longer listening to experts but people who want to have a say I think perhaps there was overkill From the medical advisors but I think NYC spooked everyone. but at least it was people with knowledge trying to figure out what to do
but now?
in Ontario The teachers unions are exceedingly powerful. And they hate the government. The loved Wynn because she gave them all they wanted. So their union president is now making claims for what he thinks schools need. Based on his what exactly. His undergrad degree in English?
the government consulted doctors, epidemiologists, Sick Kids and came up with approved plans
but hey teachers disagree
11,000 people under 18 in Canada got the virus. Two died. In NYC 12 people under 18 died out of 19,000 deaths. And 11 of those children had underlying conditons. Compare that to a normal flu year where 245 children die in canada
so I think we can fairly safely say children are at minimal risk. Teachers maybe more so but grocery stores have coped with scared staff and protection. Dentists. Hospitals, homeless shelters, police, bus drivers, stores now, hair stylists now, ....... up suddenly the teachers are up in arms
i wish that the government had paid more attention to Europe. It was clear that the elderly were the big risk group. But we didn’t listen. We weren’t prepared with enough supplies. Trudeau let that one drop. Nursing homes have rolled along under the radar for decades. Quebec is right up there with the worst case countries for deaths
we feel smug because the USA is such a hell hole for this disease. But we shouldn’t be so cocky. And we should be encouraging people to do all the proper things. It we should also be encouraging people to get back to work, to get back to shopping....
For the most part I think lots of the rules are unnecessary. We neglected our seniors and they paid for it dearly. The rest of us are pretty much going along as normal except without jobs. And I worry that now as we are moving forward we are no longer listening to experts but people who want to have a say I think perhaps there was overkill From the medical advisors but I think NYC spooked everyone. but at least it was people with knowledge trying to figure out what to do
but now?
in Ontario The teachers unions are exceedingly powerful. And they hate the government. The loved Wynn because she gave them all they wanted. So their union president is now making claims for what he thinks schools need. Based on his what exactly. His undergrad degree in English?
the government consulted doctors, epidemiologists, Sick Kids and came up with approved plans
but hey teachers disagree
11,000 people under 18 in Canada got the virus. Two died. In NYC 12 people under 18 died out of 19,000 deaths. And 11 of those children had underlying conditons. Compare that to a normal flu year where 245 children die in canada
so I think we can fairly safely say children are at minimal risk. Teachers maybe more so but grocery stores have coped with scared staff and protection. Dentists. Hospitals, homeless shelters, police, bus drivers, stores now, hair stylists now, ....... up suddenly the teachers are up in arms
i wish that the government had paid more attention to Europe. It was clear that the elderly were the big risk group. But we didn’t listen. We weren’t prepared with enough supplies. Trudeau let that one drop. Nursing homes have rolled along under the radar for decades. Quebec is right up there with the worst case countries for deaths
we feel smug because the USA is such a hell hole for this disease. But we shouldn’t be so cocky. And we should be encouraging people to do all the proper things. It we should also be encouraging people to get back to work, to get back to shopping....
And now ladies and gentlemen, here are your instructions for having sex according to the BC CDC. No kissing and wear a mask and masturbation is the way to go to avoid COVID. But the most interesting one is the use of "glory holes".
What are "glory holes"? Well read through the following article to find out, LOL.
globalnews.ca
What are "glory holes"? Well read through the following article to find out, LOL.
Try ‘glory holes’ for safer sex during coronavirus, B.C. CDC says | Globalnews.ca
B.C.'s Centre for Disease Control suggested using a barrier to limit sexual contact during the COVID-19 pandemic.
globalnews.ca
