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PilgrimsProgress said:
There are times when the police use unnecessary violence -this is both wrong - but also understandable.
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I have a friend with Lupus disease. A few days ago she had a seizure while driving her car. The car swerved onto a sidewalk and stopped against a fence. No one was struck and there was slight damage to car and fence. My friend was unconscious when police arrived. They seized her forcefully and handcuffed her. It seems they took her for a crack user.

I have spent many years on the shadowed streets of many cities and towns. There I observed general police response to the desperately poor. That response was harsh and derogatory. I am pleased to say there were exceptions.

The general police posture specific to the desperately poor reflects the attitude of our prevailing social order. The broken poor are despised and rejected. All while sport and theatre stars earn multiple millions of dollars. These serving corporate powers to distract and divert critical attention; which is necessary for each citizen in our hope for the practice of democracy.
 
GeoFee said:
I have a friend with Lupus disease. A few days ago she had a seizure while driving her car. The car swerved onto a sidewalk and stopped against a fence. No one was struck and there was slight damage to car and fence. My friend was unconscious when police arrived. They seized her forcefully and handcuffed her. It seems they took her for a crack user.

I have spent many years on the shadowed streets of many cities and towns. There I observed general police response to the desperately poor. That response was harsh and derogatory. I am pleased to say there were exceptions.

The general police posture specific to the desperately poor reflects the attitude of our prevailing social order. The broken poor are despised and rejected. All while sport and theatre stars earn multiple millions of dollars. These serving corporate powers to distract and divert critical attention; which is necessary for each citizen in our hope for the practice of democracy.
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Maybe this needs to go into another thread? Because it doesn’t have anything to do with Corona. That way a discussion about police enforcement practices could continue.
 
Ritafee said:
I've looked at this from both sides now and I am resolved:

I will no longer participate in entertaining superstitious, pseudo-scientific propositions that this is the only disease in history that needed a politician-imposed lockdown to abate.

I have not been convinced that politicians have the power to stop death.

Standing firmly on this foundation of scientific truth, I am at peace, realizing that so called COVID-19, like every disease in history, will infect a certain number of people, kill a minute percentage of them, and then move along, lockdown or no lockdown.
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These are good points and offer opportunity for discussion permitting a diversity of perspective. Speaking contrary to the enforced agenda brings resistance and rejection. This is one indication of tyranny’s rise. Not conclusive but well worth noticing.
 
There are 75 cases from a church in the city. Some numbers I've seen given are ~150 members and 100 people in attendance (one day - not sure number of days people were in attendance, more than 1 while the cases were growing). It's being said that guidelines were followed and it was mentioned there was an upstairs and downstairs which would have helped split people up.
So anywhere from 50%-75% of a good-sized group has been infected. School starts sometime next week.
 
PilgrimsProgress said:
If you choose to scroll backwards you will see that Ritafree sets the agenda.
In case anyone is interested, the rest of Oz is pleased to see that these draconian, authoritarian, methods are showing pleasing results finally.
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I am interested. I was not aware that yours was the official voice for the rest of Oz.
I am listening to other voices coming out of Oz that are far from pleased.
 
Ritafee said:
I never said I won't wear a mask. I will wear a mask voluntarily ... when it is the better thing to do ... depending on the situation.
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As will the rest of us. It so happens that in some places the majority of people have collectively determined that it's always the right thing to do around others and they want their police departments to enforce that on their behalf, to deter those who don't want to abide by that collective decision.
 
GeoFee said:
I have a friend with Lupus disease. A few days ago she had a seizure while driving her car. The car swerved onto a sidewalk and stopped against a fence. No one was struck and there was slight damage to car and fence. My friend was unconscious when police arrived. They seized her forcefully and handcuffed her. It seems they took her for a crack user.
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I'm sorry that your friend had such a traumatic experience. Often tragically, we humans often make mistakes based on previous experience.

GeoFee said:
I have spent many years on the shadowed streets of many cities and towns. There I observed general police response to the desperately poor. That response was harsh and derogatory. I am pleased to say there were exceptions.
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And I am pleased that you noted exceptions to your point of view.
 
Ritafee said:
And yet, meanwhile, in Australia since March, there have been six times as many deaths from suicide than from Covid-19.
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Here is a more factual report.
www.abc.net.au

COVID-19 killed relatively few Australians. What else is killing us, and can we stop it?

What are the main causes of potentially avoidable deaths, and who is more likely to die in ways that ideally shouldn't happen in a healthy, safe society?
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

It shows that heart disease is the main cause of death here in Oz.

Most of the deaths from covid in Oz have been very elderly folks in nursing homes. Our care of the elderly needs far more training and higher wages. I'd be the first to admit - with some notable exceptions - that it's a national disgrace. It's noticeable however that far more deaths are occurring in nursing homes that are privately run - where profit making is the main incentive. Public nursing homes have better outcomes re covid deaths.

Mental health support is also seriously underfunded -particularly very serious mental health conditions -such as schizophrenia.
 
BetteTheRed said:
I still say that the only people who are entitled to make final judgments on other country's policies are....the citizens of those countries. We should decide if we are pleased with Canadian/provincial reactions,
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Trudeau & Canadian Government Sued Over COVID Measures; Sets Worldwide Example w/ Rocco Galati


Super Lawyer Rocco Galati sues the Canadian government, Trudeau, Health Ministers, and others in first of its kind supreme court lawsuit. Galati lays out for listeners why his client and others have decided to sue over the extreme COVID Measures that have now been proven to cause 14 to 1 more deaths than the actual virus. With these facts now proven, the government only continues to promote these extreme measures. His lawsuit has a long list of experts, data, and more to prove the case against the government. This lawsuit should serve as an important example to others around the world to also push back against these mandates that are destroying lives. You can learn more and follow this important lawsuit by following Rocco Galati's Twitter @RoccoGalatiLaw
 
BetteTheRed said:
I still say that the only people who are entitled to make final judgments on other country's policies are....the citizens of those countries. We should decide if we are pleased with Canadian/provincial reactions,
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OTTAWA – A group of 18 prominent health experts in Canada, including the two previous chief public health officers of Canada, is calling on the federal and provincial governments to change their strategies during the COVID-19 pandemic.

The group is calling for an end to attempts to eliminate the coronavirus, instead advocating for an approach where Canadians would learn to live with it.

“It’s a fool’s errand,” Dr. Neil Rau, an infectious disease specialist with the University of Toronto, says. “We’re not going to win with that strategy.”

Rau argues business closures, mandatory masks, and complete border closures are doing more harm than good for employment and the wellbeing of our society, and adds these things disproportionately affect low income and racialized Canadians.

“Poverty has huge health impacts on people. Health is wealth, wealth is health,” Rau says.

Rau joins other experts in calling on governments to further relax lockdown measures and not return to the Phase 1-style restrictions we saw in the spring, even if there is a second wave.

“We strongly believe that population health and equity are important considerations that must be applied to future decisions regarding pandemic management,” the open letter, dated July 6, reads.

“Canada must work to minimize the impact of COVID-19 by using measures that are practical, effective and compatible with our values and sense of social justice,” the letter adds. “We need to focus on preventing deaths and serious illness by protecting the vulnerable while enabling society to function and thrive.”

The experts are also concerned about the development of children and are calling on the federal government to create a national strategy to reopen schools in the fall across the country.

They note Canada needs to “improve infection prevention and control in long-term care and congregate living settings,” while also providing support for those who choose to isolate “when the disease is active.”

Support should also be provided to people “who have been adversely affected by COVID-19, or the consequences of the public health measures,” the letter adds.

“Canadians have developed a fear of COVID-19,” the experts write. “Going forward, they have to be supported in understanding their true level of risk, and learning how to deal with this disease, while getting on with their lives – back to work, back to school, and back to healthy lives and vibrant, active communities across this country.”

www.660citynews.com

Health experts call for shift in Canada's COVID strategy - CityNews Calgary

A group of 18 prominent health experts in Canada are calling on the federal and provincial governments to change their COVID-19 strategies.
www.660citynews.com www.660citynews.com
 
BetteTheRed said:
We should decide if we are pleased with Canadian/provincial reactions, and to a VERY limited extent (because of a huge, common, largely undefended and unpatrolled border), what's going on in the U.S.
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Governor(ness) of South Dakota. No lockdown, no restrictions, and 13th lowest death per million in the US.
 
Imagine non-transparency posing as clear ... to gain power over the folk obscured by all that lies there ... Claire de Lunés?
 
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