It was also necessary to bring up double standards, I felt.
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On isms...This is the root of Ontario's covid problem. And Quebec's. It's shameful. These are where most cases are. And these people dying are older than boomers (whose parents and aunts and uncles are they? Who's accountable for putting them there and not making sure they're ok?)...and they are dying because of these conditions. That's ageism.
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And when legislation is passed for MAID because someone with CP proclaims they'd rather die than live in a nursing home (he is from Quebec is he not?)... to not address why that is first and foremost before even considering expanding MAID, is ableism.
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Cockroaches And Force-Feeding: Military Outlines What It Found In Care Homes
Canadian Armed Forces found shocking conditions at five Ontario long-term care homes grappling with outbreaks of COVID-19.
And when legislation is passed for MAID because someone with CP proclaims they'd rather die than live in a nursing home (he is from Quebec is he not?)... to not address why that is first and foremost before even considering expanding MAID, is ableism.
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They've been talking for years to give a registration to PSW's or HCA's and it's time they do this. Right now there is no way to track or give continued support to any changes within the system. When you run the risk of losing a licence, there will be more concern to follow the standards that would be set. Where's the accountability without being licensed?
Also registered staff, at least the way I was taught cannot abandon their post without a replacement.....which I know was difficult but at least the appropriate calls would have been made before some residents were abandoned. There is a fan out process usually in place and who is to call who during an emergency.
Also, every 10 deaths must be reported to a coroner ....how the heck no one realized and that there was a problem after 10 or 20 COVID deaths in a short time is beyond me.
The things the armed forces are bringing up are sounding right on......even some of the pictures from the outside showed staff walking outside with their gowns still on with masks.....
Also registered staff, at least the way I was taught cannot abandon their post without a replacement.....which I know was difficult but at least the appropriate calls would have been made before some residents were abandoned. There is a fan out process usually in place and who is to call who during an emergency.
Also, every 10 deaths must be reported to a coroner ....how the heck no one realized and that there was a problem after 10 or 20 COVID deaths in a short time is beyond me.
The things the armed forces are bringing up are sounding right on......even some of the pictures from the outside showed staff walking outside with their gowns still on with masks.....
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That is off topic @Kimmio Laughterlove. Perhaps you would like to start that conversation elsewhere.
I was just thinking about your statement that there are no cases on the island. I am watching Dr Henry's news conference. A journalist asked about that and about why we still need to take precautions. She specifically stated that we need to continue because we don't always know where community outbreaks start. She also stated that there may be people that are positive who have not been tested. She reminded people that is appropriate to wear a non-medical mask when we can't maintain distance.
We need to not judge people for wearing their masks, even if they are stylish mask. We are in a position to choose whether to wear a mask. We don't know why someone else makes that choice.
I was just thinking about your statement that there are no cases on the island. I am watching Dr Henry's news conference. A journalist asked about that and about why we still need to take precautions. She specifically stated that we need to continue because we don't always know where community outbreaks start. She also stated that there may be people that are positive who have not been tested. She reminded people that is appropriate to wear a non-medical mask when we can't maintain distance.
We need to not judge people for wearing their masks, even if they are stylish mask. We are in a position to choose whether to wear a mask. We don't know why someone else makes that choice.
No, it was not off topic. It was about the horrific conditions in some Ontario nursing homes. Leaving people in them to rot is perhaps why several didn't make it through covid. I was pointing out the ageism existing there. And drawing a parallel to MAID legislation for people with disabilities because legislation got passed in Quebec (where there are some horrible nursing homes) that affects the law for Canadians with disabilities. The roots of both are nursing homes, and isms.
I liked your post for the mask comment. Still...I like Bonnie Henry but I will stop trusting her if we have no new cases in several weeks, or months, and still have too restrictive measures. Because mild cases are mild cases. They are not a worry. We may have to live with that as a seasonal issue. Hospitalization and deaths are "the" worry. And that's the whole reason for the measures...but the majority or recorded cases are mild. ...and if there were notably more deaths from unknown causes at home, and hospital and ICU stays from respiratory illness generally then they'd have to investigate and report that and determine if it's covid or not. But there aren't. There haven't been. The worry about covid is hospitalization and deaths from the more serious vere cases. That was the worry...don't overload the hospitals. If she keeps moving the goalposts, I won't trust her. And if other authorities move goalposts indefinitely, to keep rolling covid quarantines a constant fixture so that people are immobilized, I won't trust them either.
Stop talking about distancing and isolating,Bonnie, and start talking cures and vaccines. Get on it.
Stop talking about distancing and isolating,Bonnie, and start talking cures and vaccines. Get on it.
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And I'm gone again.
And who's been neglecting that for years? And whose "kids" have left their 90 year old parents there and have not been bothering speak out all this time? Is that not ageism? That's been going on for a long time before covid?
I wanted to leave but I am pissed. If nursing homes turn out to be the main problem...and it looks like that's the case...then it's high time to fix the problems with nursing homes rather than expect people to risk their lives living there, or rather die (in the case of the Quebec person with CP that changed the MAID decision) or expect the whole society to quarantine when they're at fault.
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And those stays/ inspections were a actually a good use of the military.
Maybe the Minister responsible, and Ford, should both resign. And some accountability from past leaders who let that go on, too.
People should not be expected to quarantine, chronically, forever - they need medicine and vaccines to lessen the impact and they (those whom we - the public - hire and put our trust in) need to address root problem areas where vulnerable people are concerned - like systemic and institutional abuse. The biggest outbreaks have been nursing homes and care workers - the living and working conditions set in place by a neoliberal system...that started when? And by whom? And who gave up critiquing said system? And why? And the second biggest source of outbreaks has been factories - meat factories in Canada - where there are poor safety measures, no unions ... People who live in unsafe conditions because that's all they can afford with low wages, and that impacts their overall health. Again, neoliberalism. Who, as a block, started that and kept voting for it?
People should not be expected to quarantine, chronically, forever - they need medicine and vaccines to lessen the impact and they (those whom we - the public - hire and put our trust in) need to address root problem areas where vulnerable people are concerned - like systemic and institutional abuse. The biggest outbreaks have been nursing homes and care workers - the living and working conditions set in place by a neoliberal system...that started when? And by whom? And who gave up critiquing said system? And why? And the second biggest source of outbreaks has been factories - meat factories in Canada - where there are poor safety measures, no unions ... People who live in unsafe conditions because that's all they can afford with low wages, and that impacts their overall health. Again, neoliberalism. Who, as a block, started that and kept voting for it?
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Webinar/ panel, from New Brunswick, on the impact of neoliberalism and care homes during these covid times.
My summary...Structural violence in care homes is a consequence, to both residents and staff, of neoliberal policy that existed before covid and has gotten worse since covid. Long hours, low pay, high turnover...another consequence of neoliberalism that puts stress on the system, and “lean management” (cutting corners with everything, including supplies and whatever is deemed unecessary care - anything beyond allotted time for essentials which was already cut too short and any “idle” time not filled with “productive” work - like chatting or playing cards with a resident, work deemed excess to be eliminated...these things contributed to the consequence of structural violence experienced by residents and staff as well) - whereby there is no slack in the system to handle periods of extra strain, such as now. And with staff shortages, cuts to training bursaries intended to hire more, qualified, staff - lack of care and lack of quality time with patients, and inability of family to fill those gaps with care and visits during covid - that all put residents at more risk. Neoliberal private procurement of care homes, only became a real problem in NB, according to one speaker, since 2008. In BC it’s been a problem...in health and social services...for over 20 years. It began to change here, toward neoliberal policies, in the early 90s.
Care in the time of corona: the neoliberal care home [video]
My summary...Structural violence in care homes is a consequence, to both residents and staff, of neoliberal policy that existed before covid and has gotten worse since covid. Long hours, low pay, high turnover...another consequence of neoliberalism that puts stress on the system, and “lean management” (cutting corners with everything, including supplies and whatever is deemed unecessary care - anything beyond allotted time for essentials which was already cut too short and any “idle” time not filled with “productive” work - like chatting or playing cards with a resident, work deemed excess to be eliminated...these things contributed to the consequence of structural violence experienced by residents and staff as well) - whereby there is no slack in the system to handle periods of extra strain, such as now. And with staff shortages, cuts to training bursaries intended to hire more, qualified, staff - lack of care and lack of quality time with patients, and inability of family to fill those gaps with care and visits during covid - that all put residents at more risk. Neoliberal private procurement of care homes, only became a real problem in NB, according to one speaker, since 2008. In BC it’s been a problem...in health and social services...for over 20 years. It began to change here, toward neoliberal policies, in the early 90s.
Care in the time of corona: the neoliberal care home [video]
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Cures/treatments and vaccines take years to develop. The 18 months they speak of for a vaccine is highly optimistic. Lots of people are working on them. Remember, they still do not have a vaccine for HIV.
Watch today's presentation by Dr Henry. She explains what it will take to lift the restrictions. In fact she's explained it several times. The restrictions suck. Still, I'd rather that then a situation like what happened in NYC or Montreal.
Why not antivirals....why can’t that be a stop gap until the vaccine, to lessen symptoms and shorten recovery in people who need it, so we don’t have to contemplate a year of this oppressive uncertainty, and we can get on with other important things that desperately need addressing? Antivirals, proper safe ones, will arrive sooner than a vaccine, there are already close if not already have some promising ones (not hydroxyblahblah)...if they’re allowed to. We can’t stagnate on climate change action for 18 months. It’s going to kill the whole planet if we don’t get to it now. Because there’s a time limit before the point of no return, and solutions to that take even more time to build , structure into policy, and implement than a vaccine. We can’t not address climate, poverty, refugees, income inequality... while we stay focused on only covid for 18 months or longer. Those things are going to kill people too. Covid is by far not the only problem. And I think they should put focus on antivirals and cleaning up horrible conditions in nursing homes and factories, and making sure people are getting proper care for other things too. That would reduce the risks from covid. Covid is not the only concern...there are bigger ones looming. If the risk to vulnerable people and the general population can be lowered with antivirals, we can get on with it. But if they keep doing this until there’s a vaccine...it feels like they’re stalling the barely avoidable until it’s too late, and inevitable, and we’re hiding away from having to look at it.
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And here’s something I just found about that...
www.ctvnews.ca
And about this (necessity of antivirals):
Medical groups urge G20 to focus on climate change with COVID-19 aid packages
A group of medical associations representing more than 40 million health professionals from around the world is urging the G20 governments to focus on addressing public health and climate change when it comes to economic recovery packages for COVID-19.
www.ctvnews.ca
And about this (necessity of antivirals):
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People in their 90's are old enough to have kids that are in their 70's with health problems of their own and they now have grand kids in their 50's. So I suspect it's the grand kids that are carrying the torch now.
Millennials are aged 23-38.....old enough to run for positions in order to make changes. Probably most of the articles you post against the boomers are written`by a millennial.....so I would have to say that this is also taking place during the millennials "watch" too. So it's not really a generational problem but a systemic problem IMO.....even the elderly have groups that have been speaking out for years.
Millennials could always take their parents home and give the care themselves without resorting to placing their parents in an institutionalized situation and choose their own caregivers to help when the time comes.
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What makes you think they aren't looking at this? From what I've seen, there's work being done from all angles. The pandemic is revealing systemic problems that have been contributing to the severity of the problem in some areas. I suspect we'll see changes. This has been a form of consciousness raising to some degree. It will lead to some change. Crises usually do.
Watch people like Dr Henry. She has a realistic approach. She speaks of the work being done such a research for treatments/vaccines. She is also realistic when she says this virus will be around for some time. We need to learn to live with it. We won't be staying locked up for years. We also won't be returning to what we knew.
There is no magic wand and no quick fix.
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Not to argue this, but I'm a millennial with grandparents in their 80s and 90s. They barely listen to my parents (although they also expect a lot of help from them). No way are they going to listen to me, let me make their care decisions, etc. I can phone and talk to them (well some, there's one who I am lucky if will speak on the phone now) so maybe they are a bit more talked out before my parents call, that's about it.
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Antibody tests for COVID-19 wrong up to half the time, CDC says
Antibody tests used to determine if people have been infected in the past with COVID-19 might be wrong up to half the time, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in new guidance posted on its website.
www.ctvnews.ca
I would need to go deeper, but they aren't really giving the stats on these tests (although figuring that out can be difficult too - how does one know if someone actually does have antibodies or not to then verify the tests accuracy).
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covid 19 has certainly brought the long term care issue front and center. It’s a national disgrace that this has happened. And it has been happening under various leaders of all parties for decades. But now at least it is open for discussion and hopefully changes
changes to staffing, to housing rules and spaces, and all of that will cost. A lot.
I expect that we will look back at this as a problem cap generated by two income families. One income is no longer enough to live on, cities are expensive. Taxes are exhobitant, and we live more complex lives than our grandparents did
yet when I was a child, in the early 60’s most mother’s were home. Half my friends had grandparents who lived with them. Mothers did child care, cooking, shopping, elder care. Everything. That changed and we started out sourcing all of that
good or bad, it’s what happened. I assume It might explain why China did not have the same casualty of the elderly. They have A culture of living inter generationally. As did e at one poiint
my physician nephew has not been assigned to Covid work, and in his city, they are starting to see an uptick is scheduled orthopedic surgeries. Always keeping an eye on how many icu beds they must be
and now we are starting to see more articles about not agreeing to get vaccinated for this when and if it ever gets a vaccination. I do think that is still an “if”. Scientists who speak and write all speak in hopeful but guarded terms.
tht will become another huge issue.
changes to staffing, to housing rules and spaces, and all of that will cost. A lot.
I expect that we will look back at this as a problem cap generated by two income families. One income is no longer enough to live on, cities are expensive. Taxes are exhobitant, and we live more complex lives than our grandparents did
yet when I was a child, in the early 60’s most mother’s were home. Half my friends had grandparents who lived with them. Mothers did child care, cooking, shopping, elder care. Everything. That changed and we started out sourcing all of that
good or bad, it’s what happened. I assume It might explain why China did not have the same casualty of the elderly. They have A culture of living inter generationally. As did e at one poiint
my physician nephew has not been assigned to Covid work, and in his city, they are starting to see an uptick is scheduled orthopedic surgeries. Always keeping an eye on how many icu beds they must be
and now we are starting to see more articles about not agreeing to get vaccinated for this when and if it ever gets a vaccination. I do think that is still an “if”. Scientists who speak and write all speak in hopeful but guarded terms.
tht will become another huge issue.
