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Prof. Jihad Bishara, the director of the Infectious Disease Unit at Petah Tikva’s Beilinson Hospital, said that some of the steps being taken in Israel and abroad were very important, but the virus is not airborne, most people who are infected will recover without even knowing they were sick, the at-risk groups are now known, and the global panic is unnecessary and exaggerated.
 
Atta-boy Wills!

I knew the royals observing from up on their ceremonial perches had to be good for something.

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are reportedly back in Canada with days to spare, as Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced yesterday that the border would be closed off to anybody who is not a Canadian citizen or permanent resident.
 
I have been unable to do anymore for the homeless people today than I did yesterday ... but on both days I am aware that 'government' having always been aware of the problem have never prioritized a solution.

I am hoping that this crisis 'being different' will bring about lasting and effective measures ... starting with the most vulnerable as a first and lasting priority ... this would go a long way to reducing the impact of any future 'health emergency'. Bottom's UP!

I'm shocked that you would believe the government would be doing something, and that you see it as a government response. :unsure:

Problem with homelessness is the provision of food. Food banks don't help much with that. Raw carrots, potatoes and a lot of bread and canned goods aren't really helpful when you live in a tent. A "community centre"/Salvation Army, etc., that serves at least one daily meal, usually 7 days/week, is pretty essential for minimal nutrition. If these are closed, the homeless a

Food banks and soup kitchens are downstream measures. (I know you know that Bette) I wish we didn't have to rely on them to "solve" a problem.
 
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I'm shocked that you would believe the government would be doing something, and that you see it as a government response. :unsure:

If I say we don't need government ... you say I am wrong.

If I say maybe this will give the government opportunity to prove me wrong and do something right ... you still say I am wrong.:unsure:
 
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If I say we don't need government ... you say I am wrong.

If I say maybe this will give the government opportunity to prove me wrong and do something right ... you still say I am wrong.:unsure:

When did I say you were wrong. My point is that you are an avid, outspoken anarchist and now you are suggesting the government fix something......it's just ironic.
 
I have a question for ChemGal - I live on my own. If I don't allow any visitors -and wash my hands before and after I leave my apartment, and use hand sanitizer often when out -keep my distance from others, - is that enough to offer me reasonable protection?

Also, I'm only an average housewife - but if there's just me inside the apartment - do I still have to disinfect furniture etc?
Inside the apartment - there's only me -so, if I do get infected, can I re-infect myself?
 
When did I say you were wrong. My point is that you are an avid, outspoken anarchist and now you are suggesting the government fix something......it's just ironic.

I have always suggested that the government should fix 'something' if it wants to be credible.
Since the government chooses not to fix easily fixable 'things' I reject their 'authority to rule'.
Anarchy would be the logical assumption ... not the ironic one.

Here is some absurd irony ...

“Australian coronavirus death toll rises to five after two women die,” 15 March 2020:

“A 90-year-old woman died on Saturday and testing confirmed that she had COVID-19, NSW Health said in a statement on Sunday night.”

“She was a resident of the Dorothy Henderson Lodge aged care home, where 2 other residents died after becoming infected with the virus.”

“A 77-year-old woman has also died from coronavirus, NSW Health said on Sunday.”

“Three other Australians, aged 95, 82 and 78, have also died.”

Of these five elderly people—how many serious health problems were they suffering from in the past five years?
What medicines were they on?
What toxic effects do these drugs have?
Were they recently put on highly toxic antiviral drugs?
What other relevant facts would point to serious illness, besides “a new virus?”
The patients will be labeled “cause of death, coronavirus.”

A man was hanging on the edge of a cliff for three days.
He finally fell.
A medical examiner took a tissue sample.
A test revealed the presence of COV.
Therefore, the virus has taken another life.”

There is a group of people in an animated video.
Each person is a different color. Blue, green, red, orange, etc.
Now a filter passes across them.
Suddenly, they are all purple.
The filter is the novel label, “coronavirus epidemic.”
The purple color is “cases of the singular epidemic.” The filter makes it seem so real.

You’re listening to a radio.
On several music stations, you hear jazz, rock, country, classical.
Suddenly, the same announcer is present on all these stations.
He says, “Imagine you’re hearing Joe Smith and his orchestra.”
And then you are, on every station. Until you stop imagining it.

The novel epidemic label is equally applied to a variety of people, both healthy…and ill FROM DIFFERENT CAUSES.

The novel label is a piece of hypnotic medical propaganda, which has the effect of deceiving minds.

IT works.

Isn't IT ironic?

Paraphrasing from:
COV death: Five-thousand-year-old man had two hundred diseases, was on three hundred toxic meds - Jon Rappoport
 
Problem with homelessness is the provision of food. Food banks don't help much with that. Raw carrots, potatoes and a lot of bread and canned goods aren't really helpful when you live in a tent. A "community centre"/Salvation Army, etc., that serves at least one daily meal, usually 7 days/week, is pretty essential for minimal nutrition. If these are closed, the homeless are actually in danger of starvation.
True. Unless somebody has a Colman stove. Raw carrots are good. If they can be washed or are pre washed, though.

I was thinking if I got sick and hadn't the energy to stand and cook high protein dry snacks and maybe Boost is a good idea - I'll survive. I'll survive on dry cornflakes if I need to.
 
I chatted with a guy, not homeless but living in an SRO type place and spends most of his time on the streets. He was collecting butts. I reminded him to be careful, maybe take out and roll the tobacco into his own rolling papers. He said he does that sometimes but he doesn't care about the virus. He lives day by day and if he dies he dies :( ...so I said, well at least it's sunny today. He cheered up a bit.

I passed by the liquor store and an elder aboriginal man in a blanket poncho and black cowboy hat was playing and singing Johnny Cash style songs and plucking a beautiful steel guitar. His voice was softer than Cash's, and lovely. I told him I had no change (true) but I'd like to listen to him for a minute. He played a song for me, we exchanged first names. I told him I'd give him some money next time - and he said, that's ok. Just stop and say hi. A couple of poignant moments In the Time of Love and Coronavirus.
 
I picked up a "food hamper" in my parents' driveway. Should be good for awhile. Except my step dad blew his nose, then pulled everything out of the grocery bag and put it back in to show me what was in there instead of just telling me. It's socializing for him - I just was saying "Hey you don't need to touch everything. It's ok. I can look at it when I put it away." And he said, "Boy you're paranoid. I just washed my hands." I said, "But you also just blew your nose after, on a little scrunched up tissue, then touched every single thing in there! I laughed but explained... it's the way things are right now. Anyway. Maybe I should wipe it down or maybe it's just his usual sinus issues. It's helpful, I do appreciate the bag of groceries though.
 
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My plan to avoid people didn't succeed for long. This morning I planned to ONLY deal with going to get my eyes tested. A son arrived with his Grade One kid. I gave them a drink and cookies and then a couple of friends arrived for coffee. So there we were - six of us in a small room. Oh well it was a nice visit.
 
I have a question for ChemGal - I live on my own. If I don't allow any visitors -and wash my hands before and after I leave my apartment, and use hand sanitizer often when out -keep my distance from others, - is that enough to offer me reasonable protection?

Also, I'm only an average housewife - but if there's just me inside the apartment - do I still have to disinfect furniture etc?
Inside the apartment - there's only me -so, if I do get infected, can I re-infect myself?
Personally I'm not a mad house cleaner - I do pretty much what you have described. If there is someone sharing your home who is actually ill - well, that's a different situation. To me it seems reasonable - but it's kind of a personal preference I think.

On the issue of re-infection - good question. My guess would be that once you've had it, you'd have some antibodies to keep you healthier in future - but that's a guess. Of course a decent cleaning after illness is usually a good idea - within reason!
 
I have a question for ChemGal - I live on my own. If I don't allow any visitors -and wash my hands before and after I leave my apartment, and use hand sanitizer often when out -keep my distance from others, - is that enough to offer me reasonable protection?

Also, I'm only an average housewife - but if there's just me inside the apartment - do I still have to disinfect furniture etc?
Inside the apartment - there's only me -so, if I do get infected, can I re-infect myself?
In my own home, I don't worry about contagious illnesses generally. I think what you are doing is reasonable, so much of that is opinion though. I think there's something to be said about not having to be super vigilant about every outside things we have brought into our homes for example. Sure, wash hands often when working with food but say I'm not going to worry that someone else touched the jam jar when putting it on my bread. There's just way too many instances of that for it to be healthy to think about every possibility like that all the time. I know how hard it is when I assume everything has gluten when making food for my sister it law, it would be similar. To me, to act like that every day is no way to live, even for a few weeks.

The reinfection thing - we don't know. I think it is highly unlikely and have never heard about that being a concern with other viruses. For those who tested positive, negative, positive (a few reports out of China), there's a question of if there was just a false negative. It could also be the 2 different strains - where they got one and then got the other, not that it came from the same virus they already had.
 
That was thoughtful. Here in Ontario stores are opening fir seniors only to help them shop but avoid crowds

Here as well - Loblaws- which I know owns Shoppers and No Frills and Great Canadian Superstore all of which are easy to find on the Lower Mainland. There are lots of Shoppers Drug Marts here but I don't think there's a no Frills and I am not sure where GCSS is. ( It's because our biggest Island grocery chain that is popular, Thrifty Foods/"Thrifty's", was bought by Sobeys.) Shoppers has a few groceries at most locations though. Some have a quite a few.

And there are some specific hours for customers with disabilities, in a few places on the mainland (but I'm not on the mainland).
 
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In my own home, I don't worry about contagious illnesses generally. I think what you are doing is reasonable, so much of that is opinion though. I think there's something to be said about not having to be super vigilant about every outside things we have brought into our homes for example.

Thanks for that -it did occur to me maybe I should disinfect my, say, jar of vegemite, when I return from shopping - but, like you, I think that that is no way to live.......

Also, just say I get sick with this virus -whilst I'm still ill can I make the illness worse by not disinfecting anything I might touch in the apartment? Or, is it a case that once you catch the virus it will run its course, and you can't make things worse for yourself?
I appreciate your answers, ChemGal - living on my own and being over 70, it's comforting to know that others know more about illnesses generally than I do.
 
Also, just say I get sick with this virus -whilst I'm still ill can I make the illness worse by not disinfecting anything I might touch in the apartment? Or, is it a case that once you catch the virus it will run its course, and you can't make things worse for yourself?
Yes and no, I would say. In general, things will just run its course- but- you want to eliminate breeding grounds, an environment that is warm and moist, where viruses can survive longer. That could be your toothbrush or the inside of a CPAP machine. When exactly in the course a a disease to get a new toothbrush and avoiding I couldn’t tell you. But is recommended you get a new one after regular flus and colds as well.
 
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