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Independence (autonomously) does not auger well as we may be bored out of IT ... IT is often assigned to the headman ... even if hedonistically he lost it! Washington Irving dealt with it along with Poe as a frightening soulism!

The theme is little folk shouldn't think ... thus cosmological screw ups and twists ... in Eire ... a place of "i"!

You did know that i is an icon of abstract and imaginary #'s? There are profound understandings and implications ... the case is ... a caseload of Petering headmen ... NU IT's?
 
I think this crisis can show us both good and bad government styles. Some we don’t agree with yet might have bee effective

china quarantined a huge number of people. But it did seem to be effective in part. Did not stop the virus escaping China but that likely was early mistakes

italy has shut down large gatherings, schools, travel. All of that will likely work to slow the spread. I imagine everyone is hoping that they can slow the spread long enough for a change in seasons to help. If it helps

canada has been a bit slow in rolling out testing. And deciding if they are doing air born containment or droplet containment but that seems sorted now. And the approach of letting the people in charge of health do the talking is great

the B.C. government has done a great of a press conferences where the politicians just stand there and let the experts talk

contrast that to the USA. Where idiot in chief can’t stop talking, blathering, telling falsehoods, patting himself on the back. While various CDC docs discuss more important things. The USA has been slow to test? Not wanting to know?? But then they ca control the spread either. It’s odd

and today here in Florida, they are talking about how the USA has less family physicians per 1000 people than any other western country. They commented that medicine here is very sub specialized and so they don’t have the ability to set up a call your family doc for testing and advice.......

the USA also has very little mandated sick time for employees. At least according to local news

i hope it dies down with warmer weather. I hope that fewer people get it and die than expected. I hope like SARS it just is a one year wonder.
in the mean time I am being conscious of where I go and what I do
 
Lastpointe said:
I think this crisis can show us both good and bad government styles. Some we don’t agree with yet might have bee effective

china quarantined a huge number of people. But it did seem to be effective in part. Did not stop the virus escaping China but that likely was early mistakes

italy has shut down large gatherings, schools, travel. All of that will likely work to slow the spread. I imagine everyone is hoping that they can slow the spread long enough for a change in seasons to help. If it helps

canada has been a bit slow in rolling out testing. And deciding if they are doing air born containment or droplet containment but that seems sorted now. And the approach of letting the people in charge of health do the talking is great

the B.C. government has done a great of a press conferences where the politicians just stand there and let the experts talk

contrast that to the USA. Where idiot in chief can’t stop talking, blathering, telling falsehoods, patting himself on the back. While various CDC docs discuss more important things. The USA has been slow to test? Not wanting to know?? But then they ca control the spread either. It’s odd

and today here in Florida, they are talking about how the USA has less family physicians per 1000 people than any other western country. They commented that medicine here is very sub specialized and so they don’t have the ability to set up a call your family doc for testing and advice.......

the USA also has very little mandated sick time for employees. At least according to local news

i hope it dies down with warmer weather. I hope that fewer people get it and die than expected. I hope like SARS it just is a one year wonder.
in the mean time I am being conscious of where I go and what I do
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How was Canada slow with testing? We were actually one of the countries connected with knowing how bad it was in Iran due to testing.
 
For those who don't get why this is a big deal and we need to slow the spread:

Some quotes from that article:

Three professors from the University of Milan also sent a letter warning doctors in the rest of Europe to "get ready," because 10 per cent of patients who test positive for COVID-19 end up needing intensive care.

f you can slow it down enough and flatten the curve, so the same number of people get infected, but over a much longer period of time, then ... what you're allowing is that the capacity will not be exceeded," said Dr. Anand Kumar, a critical care physician at Winnipeg's Health Science Centre.

Most healthy people will experience a mild COVID-19 infection because their immune system will protect them. But so far, the experience in Italy and China suggests that as many as 10 per cent of people infected can require critical care.

That creates an urgent need for beds in intensive care units, along with ventilation, dialysis and other life support technology. It also requires qualified health-care specialists to manage patients — excess capacity that Canadian hospitals just don't have.

"If you do not stop the spread of the disease, your health system — no matter how good, how efficient, how modern it is — sooner or later will collapse," said Grasselli. "Because the number of patients is too high for the resources we have everywhere in the world."
 
BTW, this promises to make life at work interesting for the next while. As mentioned before, we are a company that specializes in home oxygen and other respiratory care (eg. we do home trach and vent care under the Ontario home care system). That means that (a) our patients are highly vulnerable, (b) we tend to get respiratory patients as they come out of hospital so this could hit us with a major boost in workload if a worst case happens.
 
Mendalla said:
BTW, this promises to make life at work interesting for the next while. As mentioned before, we are a company that specializes in home oxygen and other respiratory care (eg. we do home trach and vent care under the Ontario home care system). That means that (a) our patients are highly vulnerable, (b) we tend to get respiratory patients as they come out of hospital so this could hit us with a major boost in workload if a worst case happens.
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And will you have acces to full protection for deliveries? Hazmat suits and N95 masks? Sterilization equipment when removing spent tanks?
 
Waterfall said:
And will you have acces to full protection for deliveries? Hazmat suits and N95 masks? Sterilization equipment when removing spent tanks?
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We are working on it. We have some of the supplies in stockpile all the time, and have more on order (I am working on a project related to this). Spent tanks go back to our gas division who clean and sterilize them before refilling them. We have to deal with liquid bases and concentrators, though. Even smartphones are being cleaned after every visit since we give the phone to the patient to get their signature (but are working to change the app for the duration of the pandemic so they don't have to collect signatures).
 
I heard this morning that they are now retesting all prior flu virus' from months ago in Canada, for the coronavirus...learning from Italys experience, they believe Italy had it circulating sooner than they knew and lost some ground because of it.
 
Mendalla said:
We are working on it. We have some of the supplies in stockpile all the time, and have more on order (I am working on a project related to this). Spent tanks go back to our gas division who clean and sterilize them before refilling them.
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Thats good...i really worry about nursing homes and retirement homes who as far as I know will not be equipped properly.
 
ChemGal said:
For those who don't get why this is a big deal and we need to slow the spread:

Some quotes from that article:

Three professors from the University of Milan also sent a letter warning doctors in the rest of Europe to "get ready," because 10 per cent of patients who test positive for COVID-19 end up needing intensive care.

f you can slow it down enough and flatten the curve, so the same number of people get infected, but over a much longer period of time, then ... what you're allowing is that the capacity will not be exceeded," said Dr. Anand Kumar, a critical care physician at Winnipeg's Health Science Centre.

Most healthy people will experience a mild COVID-19 infection because their immune system will protect them. But so far, the experience in Italy and China suggests that as many as 10 per cent of people infected can require critical care.

That creates an urgent need for beds in intensive care units, along with ventilation, dialysis and other life support technology. It also requires qualified health-care specialists to manage patients — excess capacity that Canadian hospitals just don't have.

"If you do not stop the spread of the disease, your health system — no matter how good, how efficient, how modern it is — sooner or later will collapse," said Grasselli. "Because the number of patients is too high for the resources we have everywhere in the world."
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People need to stop comparing this with the flu too, IMO.
 
Waterfall said:
Thats good...i really worry about nursing homes and retirement homes who as far as I know will not be equipped properly.
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We try to help our LTC partners (we have a number of homes and LTC companies that we support with respiratory services and oxygen) with their handling of O2 equipment as much as possible but there's limits to how much we can do.
 
Mendalla said:
We try to help our LTC partners (we have a number of homes and LTC companies that we support with respiratory services and oxygen) with their handling of O2 equipment as much as possible but there's limits to how much we can do.
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I was thinking more of the proper masks and gowns for nursing homes and especially retirement homes(who are notoriously stingy with supplies taking a backseat over profits).
 
Waterfall said:
People need to stop comparing this with the flu too, IMO.
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I said the same thing early on. Want to compare this illness symptom-wise to the flu for healthy, young people? Sure, that makes sense. The issue with healthcare does not compare though.
 
Waterfall said:
I was thinking more of the proper masks and gowns for nursing homes and especially retirement homes(who are notoriously stingy with supplies taking a backseat over profits).
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That we can't help with. I think there is a time for stinginess and a time to say, "we'll sort it out later". Now is the latter. Mercifully, our finance team recognize that needs like that have to be met. We'll pay what we need to, just not more than we need to.
 
I want to know more about symptoms, what differentiates them from allergies and colds. I want to know exactly how the symptoms progress in the worst cases, and how long it takes. What is the pattern it takes that differs from bad colds or flu? Mild flu like symptoms could be felt by people to be anything from chemical sensitivity, to seasonal allergies (the cherry blossoms and crocuses and daffodils are out) to hot flashes. And it's not reasonable to shut everything down or flood the system, for any reason.
 
Again...they should halt luxury travel for now. It would at least reduce circulation of the virus. That doctor had been in Hawaii. On a plane. In an airport. It's probably going around in airports. Too bad they can't invent a quick 5 minute litmus test to screen all international travellers in airports.
 
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