They know that out of 50 million that they are aware have it - 130 have died. Most recover from flu like symptoms in days.That is not a pandemic. They are sowing confusion in order to justify large scale military exercises.
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You walk among people contagious with worse things daily. You wash your hands, try to avoid waiting rooms, etc.
This is deliberate, I think.
This is deliberate, I think.
I see the numbers are around 500 deaths, not 130.
Maybe...I'm being paranoid. I hope so. The response seems disproportionate to the problem, though. And the US is already planning the use of military bases as quarantine sites. I don't find that to be a positive sign even for a legitimately concerning illness.
I don't necessarily believe the virus was engineered...but the response certainly has been heavily engineered - clearly - and that doesn't feel, to me, like a good thing at this juncture in history.
I don't necessarily believe the virus was engineered...but the response certainly has been heavily engineered - clearly - and that doesn't feel, to me, like a good thing at this juncture in history.
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BetteTheRed
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The reason that armies get involved is that they're specialists in things like establishing and moving mobile medical/surgical units (MASH, anyone?, lol). They usually include engineers, people who specialize in disaster relief. You, for sure, want the military involved in pandemic assistance.
Mendalla
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For Americans returning from the affected part of China primarily. We are doing the same using CFB Trenton here in Ontario. Military bases are ideal for the purpose, esp. one like Trenton that is already used for returning troops from overseas operations who may have quarantine requirements.
Exactly. Even for our evacuation flight (which is in the air now, by the way), it's the Armed Forces providing the medical support.
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Mendalla
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This is whole other thread, but I think one thing that needs to be made clear here: China has never had any concept of individual rights like we do. The rights of the broader society have always trumped individual rights in their culture. The concept of individual rights being above those of the society/community came from the West and attempts to impose them are seen as a form of imperialism by many Chinese. Even many Chinese people here believe the government is acting correctly and that our government needs to be more proactive, ie. more like China's response. I have heard (via Mrs. M's various connections) of returning Chinese people voluntarily quarantining themselves because they believed it was for the better of others that they do so since the government wasn't doing it.
Not if it's an overblown pandemic. They should've assessed the initial cases better to understand the severity of the illness before going into full on authoritarian mode.
And I'm not sure the detaining of asymptomatic people for several days is even legal...like those on the cruise ship. It's not a good precedent. I think we need to be just as concerned by how the response to the disease shapes up, if it becomes increasingly authoritarian, as we are with the virus itself.
Yes. Asking people to stay at home and not creating a huge military response may have prevented suspicion too. But...can't help it. It seems fishy.
Mendalla
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FWIW, my suspicion is that eventually the initial reaction runs out of steam and it settles down to being an especially deadly seasonal flu. It likely peters out in April or so and then returns in the Fall (if it returns at all) without much sturm and drang, esp. if a vaccine does come out.
I hope you're right.
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WHO can do all this without further polluting the worlds air and the water and the food?
I just don't have enough critical thinking skills to rationalize away the need for those basics.
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Ebolas way of infection was/is over bodily fluids and blood. It’s not sneezed out into someone’s face. As this corona virus affects the lungs, it is likely airborne to a certain degree, hence isolation rooms. Separate air circulation for those rooms ensure that the staff is protected once they are outside the rooms and take their masks off. Ever tried to work 8 hours under a tight face mask?
Since SARS was a virus requiring isolation and negative pressure rooms ( meaning to keep the air from circulating in the building), it seems logical to react like that.
Canada and Australia are doing the same kind of isolating people for two weeks, no matter if symptoms or not, just because they were flown in from affected areas. I think you have a whole lot more in common with Rita than you think
PilgrimsProgress
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My two grand nephews went back to school yesterday. They had been holidaying in Japan and Hong Kong -and their Mum kept them at home for two weeks as a precaution.....
I talked about this virus with my doctor -and she said it was just another 'bad flu' - but, for most folks, not likely to be life threatening.
Maybe wash your hands more and use hand sanitizer when out of the home - but don't go into fear overdrive. Fear has its own problems -like racism.
As Mendalla has mentioned, the Chinese culture tends to be more community minded and less individual than Westerners. The Aussies evacuated to Christmas Island accept the need for isolation -and are more concerned with the poor food and lack of internet services.
I talked about this virus with my doctor -and she said it was just another 'bad flu' - but, for most folks, not likely to be life threatening.
Maybe wash your hands more and use hand sanitizer when out of the home - but don't go into fear overdrive. Fear has its own problems -like racism.
As Mendalla has mentioned, the Chinese culture tends to be more community minded and less individual than Westerners. The Aussies evacuated to Christmas Island accept the need for isolation -and are more concerned with the poor food and lack of internet services.
Ritafee
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Sounds natural to me! Born to be re-wilded she was.
Rumor has it that there is such a thing as innateness ...
As in "Chimpanzees show an innate distrust of contact with strangers"
As in "innate knowledge of right and wrong"
As in "an essential characteristic; inherent"
1. existing in a person or animal from birth; congenital; inborn
2. being an essential part of the character of a person or thing
3. instinctive; not learned: innate capacities.
4. present in the mind before any experience and knowable by pure (not immunized) reason.
Possibly due to djinns in the rush across open spatial concerns ... like a rising fog in some folk-us!
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I disagree with that. For one, the flu means influenza, this is not an influenza virus. With the flu, we have vaccines available before it's circulating in large numbers. We also know what works for treating the flu.
I'm not fearful for myself now, but if it was circulating as it has been in Wuhan, I would be. This virus likely would be a significant threat to me.
It's not influenza but it's, symptomatically, like a bad flu bug.
There will be a vaccine soon and I wouldn't be surprised, if possible, they added it to the next flu vaccine - which I will likely get.
The thing is, if you add up world affairs, it's like nations are preparing for war and these exercises give them practice - building transformable medical facilities and compounds they can put up in days (with 7000 workers ready to go) and preparing and enhancing compounds on army bases. And quarantining people in the tens of thousands! That's staggering, in a matter of weeks or less. I don't trust this round. That's all I'm saying. I don't personally trust the process this time. It may be just about stopping the virus and I'm over-imagining things, but I don't trust it.
I've been reading that there's no way to contain this virus - it needs to be ridden out, to run its course while it can't be vaccinated against - because by the time someone is mildly symptomatic they've probably already exposed others to it. And you can't quarantine the whole world like cattle (though they might try).
The cruise ship in Japan bothers me. They shouldn't be keeping non symptomatic people detained for days, anchored at sea.
There will be a vaccine soon and I wouldn't be surprised, if possible, they added it to the next flu vaccine - which I will likely get.
The thing is, if you add up world affairs, it's like nations are preparing for war and these exercises give them practice - building transformable medical facilities and compounds they can put up in days (with 7000 workers ready to go) and preparing and enhancing compounds on army bases. And quarantining people in the tens of thousands! That's staggering, in a matter of weeks or less. I don't trust this round. That's all I'm saying. I don't personally trust the process this time. It may be just about stopping the virus and I'm over-imagining things, but I don't trust it.
I've been reading that there's no way to contain this virus - it needs to be ridden out, to run its course while it can't be vaccinated against - because by the time someone is mildly symptomatic they've probably already exposed others to it. And you can't quarantine the whole world like cattle (though they might try).
The cruise ship in Japan bothers me. They shouldn't be keeping non symptomatic people detained for days, anchored at sea.
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