Novel Coronavirus

Welcome to Wondercafe2!

A community where we discuss, share, and have some fun together. Join today and become a part of it!

Waterfall

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 12, 2014
Messages
12,132
Likely that's the case (plans in place). Keep in mind that China is now basically a technocracy. While governments here tend to be dominated by lawyers and economic types, many of China's leaders of recent decades have actually trained as engineers so operate in that mindset, which tends to include accounting for contingencies. Top down project management can work wonders in some areas. Shanghai has built something like 13 subway lines in the time Toronto has been talking about expanding one.
I am fascinated by this achievement, we sure could use some of this thinking for our indigenous people that continue to live in mold infested squalor IMO.
Dubai is another example of how fast things can be built.
 

Waterfall

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 12, 2014
Messages
12,132

Mendalla

Eastern Lowland Gorilla-in-law
Joined
May 2, 2014
Messages
33,110
Location
The Forest City
I am fascinated by this achievement, we sure could use some of this thinking for our indigenous people that continue to live in mold infested squalor IMO.
Dubai is another example of how fast things can be built.

Keep in mind, though, that part of why they are able to do things so fast is the total absence of citizen input. The government says "make it so" and it's done. Here, we have to debate everything to death, argue about which level of government is responsible, and so on. There, the politburo meets, the president makes a speech, and the workers start working.
 

Waterfall

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 12, 2014
Messages
12,132
Keep in mind, though, that part of why they are able to do things so fast is the total absence of citizen input. The government says "make it so" and it's done. Here, we have to debate everything to death, argue about which level of government is responsible, and so on. There, the politburo meets, the president makes a speech, and the workers start working.
True, but could you imagine if we could just work this fast to create homes for the homeless or low income?| But as you say, too many people looking out for number one....as a sudden high vacancy rate would threaten investors hold on the rental market and their demands for high rents.
 

Ritafee

Is Being Human
Joined
Jun 15, 2014
Messages
8,079
Location
Manitoba
Air pollution kills 7 million people each year, many from pneumonia.

May 1, 2018

According to newly released WHO data compiled from thousands of cities, around 90% of all people breathe air contaminated with pollutants. Among its ill effects, air pollution is a major risk factor for child health, particularly childhood pneumonia, said Maria Neira, MD, MPH, director of WHO’s Department of Public Health, Environmental and Social Determinants of Health (PHE).

... a viral pneumonia outbreak in the central Chinese city of Wuhan ... how Novel!
 

Luce NDs

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 4, 2015
Messages
48,265
Bacterial infections are sometimes virulently displayed when hidden beneath a mucilage of pseudomonas in a legionnaire type application.

We worked on this on the original outbreak ... informed critical authorities ... alas few really listened to the poly merc implications! Stuff tyrants don;t really like to know, or think about in case it thun kin ... as bump in the night of a thousand thieves!
 

Ritafee

Is Being Human
Joined
Jun 15, 2014
Messages
8,079
Location
Manitoba
should we have a sizable outbreak of the coronavirus I would think our hospitals would be strained, so hopefully the world is paying attention to China.
Event 201 was a 3.5-hour pandemic tabletop exercise that simulated a series of dramatic, scenario-based facilitated discussions, confronting difficult, true-to-life dilemmas associated with response to a hypothetical, but scientifically plausible, pandemic. 15 global business, government, and public health leaders were players in the simulation exercise that highlighted unresolved real-world policy and economic issues that could be solved with sufficient political will, financial investment, and attention now and in the future.

 

KayTheCurler

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 12, 2014
Messages
5,156
I am wondering when Canadians will be back home after their isolation in China. It seems that many other nations collected their citizens several days ago. What is the delay for Canada - does anybody know?
 

Lastpointe

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 6, 2014
Messages
3,942
Location
Toronto
According to the news and minister last night the delay is getting approval to land. A plane is sitting in Seoul I think

is that because of our issues with China? Or is it just that we are a little power and so the Chinese government can ignore us? Or really just because they have more things to worry about? Perhaps a bit of all?
 

Waterfall

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 12, 2014
Messages
12,132
With regards to the coronavirus, I've been wondering......the rate of the virus has been growing exponentially within China.....starting from a very small number of people infected in Wuhan. We now have similar small numbers in over 26 countries. Whatever the source or origin of this virus, we don't know, but now without needing the source present the virus continues to spread throughout China at great speed and with a much slower speed in the other countries affected.
Canadian news agencies are now reporting that for Canada the virus is slowing down. And other countries seem to have contained the virus without having the consequences that the Chinese are experiencing......
Wuhan has two biochemical labs within it's city that deals specifically with this virus....and yet seems to be having quite a problem with control and also appears to be dependent on other nations for a vaccine. One would think that if other countries have a small amount of people with the virus that know one knows how it is spread, would also be experiencing exponential growth in cases .....but they're not......instead it is starting to appear as a tamed controllable virus.
Are we to believe that we are so much more efficient and better at containing this new virus than the Chinese? Or that this virus, once it hit our shores, shouldn't be somewhat out of control by now?
Can anyone explain this to me?

(and no, I'm not buying into the theory that China released this virus on purpose)

 

Waterfall

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 12, 2014
Messages
12,132
According to the news and minister last night the delay is getting approval to land. A plane is sitting in Seoul I think

is that because of our issues with China? Or is it just that we are a little power and so the Chinese government can ignore us? Or really just because they have more things to worry about? Perhaps a bit of all?
Probably all of the above, plus maybe a bit of Canadians not knowing what to do with them when they land here. The public seemed to support quarantines and yet the scientists seemed to say it wasn't necessary....so public opinion or science?
 
Joined
Jun 28, 2014
Messages
29,036
Location
BC
It's weird. The whole thing. The rapid spread in China, the rapid, perfectly planned and built hospitals, their experimental use of HIV and Ebola drugs...and the fact that it's not spreading as fast and furiously anywhere else.
 

Waterfall

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 12, 2014
Messages
12,132
It's weird. The whole thing. The rapid spread in China, the rapid, perfectly planned and built hospitals, their experimental use of HIV and Ebola drugs...and the fact that it's not spreading as fast and furiously anywhere else.
Yeah and the great nation of Thailand (sarcasm) has developed the most promising vaccine....instead of an emerging superpower like China who has had a previous experience with SARS.....and we are told the underdeveloped nations are more at risk.

Just a bunch of doctors getting together and experimenting on patients?

 
Last edited:
Top