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Lastpointe said:
did you read my post #233 about using disposables. Far easier, cheaper, more sterile.......and available to everyone
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What I'm saying is I'm sure there could be an alternative - if the market opened up for that alternatives would become cheaper and more available, like any "new" technology as the market opens up (why is it always open for new alternatives to crap we don't need, like our communication gizmos that become cheaper and disposable?) - but the plastics industry would take hit in the process so they won't let it happen. Like oil.
 
Lastpointe said:
In the past medical supplies were mainly glass and metal. As nursing staff you opened a sterile package, out together glass and metal objects. Put them together. Used them. Put them on carts where they went back to the sterilization department. They were washed, cleaned, repackaged, resterilized. Sent back to the floor on carts. It was a major production. A major cost. And a problem for small medical facilities. Only large hospitals could afford these departments and these massive autoclave machines

other hospitals had to sub contract. have daily supplies delivered by truck.........

the other issue was hospitals had to have tons of equipment. Glass syringes broke, frequently. Metal things bent. And each floor had to have a supply of these wrapped trays to use

and of course sterilization could be flawed

the switch to disposables, while a cost to hospitals was a big savings. And made clean, sterile objects available to everyone

when I started nursing, the only actual disposal plastic things we used was IV tubing. the actual fluids was in glass bottles. The weight of all these supplies was quite remarkable
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And sterilization isn't effective for things like prion diseases.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
What I'm saying is I'm sure there could be an alternative - if the market opened up for that alternatives would become cheaper and more available, like any "new" technology as the market opens up (why is it always open for new alternatives to crap we don't need, like our communication gizmos that become cheaper and disposable?) - but the plastics industry would take hit in the process so they won't let it happen. Like oil.
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I would rather have things be safe than reusable.
 
Kimmio Laughterlove said:
What I'm saying is I'm sure there could be an alternative - if the market opened up for that alternatives would become cheaper and more available, like any "new" technology as the market opens up (why is it always open for new alternatives to crap we don't need, like our communication gizmos that become cheaper and disposable?) - but the plastics industry would take hit in the process so they won't let it happen. Like oil.
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If one googles, there are biodegradable gloves. Of course, not sure if those would be the same standard. But I agree, there is a great waste in the health system and they need to seriously look into making it more environmentally friendly. Right now the trend seem to be the other way. I don’t know why our hospital switched from basins and wash clothes to disposable wipes in a plastic pack. I doubt it reduces infections significantly, my hunch is rather there was a clever sales person.
 
In our advanced Capitalist social structures disease offers a tremendous source of profit for technological and pharmaceutical corporations. Much of that disease is rooted in the pollution of air and water. Water being the primary substance comprising the human body. Air being that which animates our life. The first thing we do is breathe in. The last thing we do is breathe out.

Science serves us well when rightly used.
Science brings us harm when misused.
Science brings us danger when abused.

Human being in its natural environment is now in danger of extinction.
 
On a closed planet do we have limited reusables? Is that a mortal thought that would disturb those having the BS in no ends?

Wake up ... deep space is a loose domain ... as nothing I own it ... nobody else respected nothing! If nothing it stimulated thought about what was missing ... paralleling interest in the ins and outs of bellybuttons! Nell heh bellying up to the limits of the bard? The point of Ardmore ... OCH m'n that' SET! Hard come down ...
 
Well the virus has now spread to over 30 countries and it probably won't be long before it's declared a pandemic. Dire warnings are coming from Who to prepare ourselves. Our own national news is now telling us to stock up on food that will last longer (canned goods) and be prepared that not all of those affected with the virus will be admitted to hospitals as there will be only room for the worst cases. Basically prepare ahead in case you have to stay isolated within your own home and form alliances to check on one another.
 
Canada's Chief Public Health Officer Theresa Tam issued a statement today saying that the risk posed by the coronavirus in Canada remains low.
 
I just wanted to add, looking at the pictures of the Wuhan hospitals that have sprung up, brings to mind a giant cruise ship........maybe we'd be better off staying in our own homes if one doesn't need a ventilator?
 
We have food, water, meds and a generator in case it is needed. The reality though is that if I catch any sort of flu or bronchitis I'll need hospital care. The reality at the moment is also that it isn't very likely that i'll get sick.
 
One daughter is currently on a cruise ship in France. She is making the outfits for the entertainers at the moment - singers, dancers, actors etc. When they arrive she will be busy adjusting the items they ave to fit whatever bodies they have. It is a brand new ship that is still being fitted out. I'm hoping it doesn't become a floating flu incubator while she is on board.
 
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