airclean33
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Hi dreamerman---The same way He" talked through those He" chose to write The Word . He just spook to you". You may not show you believe but our Lord knows your thoughts dreamerman. God Bless You. airclean33-Gord.
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dreamerman
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Let me get this straight. You believe it is the holy spirit or God speaking to you when you post on this site? The words you choose to use are from God or the holy Spirit? So if I have this same indwelling of the HS I will post similar to you? Interesting. How can I prevent that from happening?
dreamerman
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Does he know when I am sleeping?
Does he know when I am awake?
Does he know if I have been good or bad/
Say it isn't so for heaven's sake.
airclean33
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--(Yep He" knows when you've been knotty or nice.)So be nice for goodness sake.
airclean33
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Will this happen to you? Now that is between you and Him".
dreamerman
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I will try to be less wooden then.--(Yep He" knows when you've been knotty or nice.)So be nice for goodness sake.
Credit this to God ... or blame that idealist! God isn't here obviously ... life doesn't appear perfect with the narcissist avarice! Tis a stifling cover that cattle hide covered BS!
I will try to be less wooden then.
Wotan? A Nordic icon ...
dreamerman
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What, no groan.I will try to be less wooden then.
What, no groan.
Like continuum ... it grow N's on ... til the OK's collapse! Then the negative thought catches up ... could be subtle or "just understanding" not common in emotionally spirited surroundings where the spirit of sol is downplayed to the point of blind obscurity ...
Tis shrouded as some myths of god lei connections ...
revsdd
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I enjoyed the interesting and passionate discussion over last week's reflection. This week I'm dealing with a traditional Protestant affirmation - salvation by grace through faith alone - and some of the issues that often come up when it's discussed. (At least I've noticed these issues coming up in such discussions - most recently last week at the Conference on Luther that Pinga and I both attended - which was probably the genesis of this week's piece.)
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What do u think is the purpose of sombunall Christians worrying aboot this? Multiple reasons?
Off the top of me head:
They want their Salvation
They enjoy tossing around ideas
They r writing a sermon
revsdd
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I'm not sure it's "worry" - although it might be for some. It's more an attempt (for me) to reconcile how we obviously imperfect humans can somehow gain the favour of a God we believe to be perfect. Once you posit the belief that God is perfect, that does become an issue - and the issue is solved by the statement that we don't have to gain the favour of God; the favour of God is granted to us. Thus, salvation by grace through faith alone is the answer to a puzzle more than a worry. Again - for me anyway.
Should I assume that God's grace always existed, even before Jesus came? Therefore wouldn't Jesus have also come to teach us HOW to love God and how we should love one another? Wouldn't this suggest that "being" or at least attempting to be Christlike is desired by God also? Living in obedience to the law of Christ? Why does James tell us we are also justified by works and not by faith alone.
airclean33
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--Hi Waterfall -- I believe both what you and Revsdd have posted. I see a problem if the Person hearing just the thought's of Revdd. That once save there are other steps God has for us. I call it the upward movement . First The Love of GOD'. Can't but help us wanting" to help others. That same LOVE of GOD" that say's GOD so Loved The World". Even well we where in sin. Yes now as we walk with The Father" we will move up step's " as we walk closer to GOD" and with GODS" Salvation" dose not stop with Just " being Saved" . We will walk with" an talk with the GOD of Creation . The only" Living GOD" who, has said" You are my Child" I am "your Father" His Is The GLORY" And THE POWER" For Ever And Ever.-- airclean33--Gord.
The bible speaks of the initial state ... a dark formless void ... and most Christians cannot envision the dark Ness ... a great code for rest ... in some states it is similar to an overdose of some mind numbing neuro active agent ... even a female with the mother urge lodged in her myth ... that which isn't ... common with the concept of incarnate vanishing attribute ... ... and the next thing you know it was gone in a shot ... like the word homeo (meaning same, like, or even common like the missing wisdom in humanity ... hommo sapiens ... on the appearance of Venus?) Raw foreign intelligence ... prepared for extraction of something or other ... due retardation due to the code of mother myth. Thus latter stuff ... you know residues ... after the razzing ...
Can you imagine resisting curiosities like that?
airclean33
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Hi Luce --
There really is no worry of understanding that which will be. Pick up The Word which is The Light of The World. Read Rev 21: Down if you can? Please find me a Humankind after That. The kind who Live after that are no longer of Human kind . They are now , those who cannot be destroy or hurt" they have no more sickness. Nor pain "nor tears". The world will become at ease " one animal" shell not eat another. No person of GOD "can be hurt by any animal', nor will they, want to". We shell live as Family" in which is Only Love".
Love is like a black-out under the bridge in GEO Gaia ... right ... has much in common with knowing little in common ... homo lithic?
unsafe
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Waterfall ----your quote -----Should I assume that God's grace always existed, even before Jesus came?
unsafe says and posted below
JesusThe Son always existed and God is Grace ---Grace is a person not a thing -----
"THE GRACE OF GOD"
"THE GRACE OF GOD"
People also ask
What is the grace of God all about?
That four word phrase "the grace of God is a synonym for Jesus: "For the grace of God has appeared for the salvation of all men." (RSV) How beautiful! The sequence of phrases puts in good perspective the reality of His manifestation. He is the gift of God's grace by which all men may be saved.
What does it mean to be in the grace of God?
Common Christian teaching is that grace is unmerited mercy (favor) that God gave to humanity by sending his Son, Jesus Christ, to die on a cross, thus securing man's eternal salvation from sin.
THE MEANING OF GRACE[edit] The word 'grace' (CHEN in Hebrew, CHARIS inGreek), as it is used in the scriptures, literally means 'favour', to bend or stoop in kindness to another as a superior to an inferior. It has the idea of graciousness in manner or action.
Waterfall ---your quote ----Therefore wouldn't Jesus have also come to teach us HOW to love God and how we should love one another? Wouldn't this suggest that "being" or at least attempting to be Christlike is desired by God also?
unsafe says
Jesus taught us about a certain type of Love Waterfall ----it is not human love which has many human demands -----I will love you if you don't hurt me ---I will love you as long as ---etc -----Jesus came to teach us about Agape Love ---an unconditional Love that will never Fail ---it has no demands ----or boundaries ----This love can only be gotten by having God in you --it is a fruit of the spirit not of our corrupted human nature ---we alone cannot produce Agape a Love that is consistence and True no matter what situation or person comes against you ----This is the Love Jesus came to teach us about -----
How are we suppose to Love God ----with Agape ---we are to put Him first before all else and obey His instructions and directions in our life ---we have to lay self down --God becomes out total focus ----He is first in our lives before our family before our spouse and before all else ----total obedience ----He gets all the Glory for loving our neighbour ----He gets all the Glory for all we do for others -----we are His total Servant
Waterfall --your quote ----Wouldn't this suggest that "being" or at least attempting to be Christlike is desired by God also? Living in obedience to the law of Christ?
unsafe says
No Human on their own power can be Christ like -----For Starters the Scripture is very clear that God love all His Creation but turns His face from the wicket ------we have a sinful human nature and in God's eyes we are away from Him -----He is there for us but we choose to disobey Him by not believing in His word which says it is Truth and not believing that sin keeps us from His presents so we have abandoned Him and we have put a wedge between Him and us by not changing the way we think -------
As far as living in obedience to the law of Christ -----What makes you Think that you or any human alone can live in obedience to Christ -----no man on their own power can do that and if we think we can we are gravely fooling ourselves -------
You either believe this Scripture or you don't -----God's word says it is Truth -----so who are we to dispute it -----
Whaterfall ---Your Quote ------Why does James tell us we are also justified by works and not by faith alone.
Proverbs 4:7 Wisdom is the principle thing so get wisdom and with all your getting get understanding --------
Waterfall you are just picking a piece of scripture and running with it to say that you can we saved by the works you do and the Bible is very clear on telling us that we are not saved by works -----
Lesson 11: Are We Justified by Works? (James 2:20-26)
unsafe says
you can read all ----I posted what is need to clarify your question
https://bible.org/seriespage/lesson-11-are-we-justified-works-james-220-26
We are justified by faith alone, but good works prove that our faith is genuine.
1. James believed, with Paul, that we are justified by faith alone.
First, we must keep in mind the two different problems that each man was addressing. Paul was writing to those who taught that we must add our works to faith in Christ in order to be justified. He stated plainly that to do so was to preach a false gospel and to put oneself under condemnation (Gal. 1:6-9). James, however, was writing to those who claimed that they had saving faith, but their lives did not show it. Their profession of faith was mere words, with no evidence of a changed life.
unsafe says ----you can also read here -----
James's Central Concern: Faith That Works
James 2 Commentary - James's Central Concern: Faith That Works - BibleGateway.com
The works James requires are not done apart from faith but done in faith, not done instead of faith but done because of faith. Faith is the underlying stance of Christian life; deeds are the way of life; becoming mature and complete is the goal of Christian life. James cannot be charged with opposing deeds to faith, since he does not say, "I will show you deeds instead of faith." Rather, he contends for a showing of both faith and deeds: I will show you my faith by what I do. He does not object to faith; he objects only to faith not accompanied by action. Simply stated, he wants Christians to have faith that works.
There is dead faith and alive Faith ------and That is what James is addressing -----
unsafe says and posted below
JesusThe Son always existed and God is Grace ---Grace is a person not a thing -----
"THE GRACE OF GOD"
"THE GRACE OF GOD"
People also ask
What is the grace of God all about?
That four word phrase "the grace of God is a synonym for Jesus: "For the grace of God has appeared for the salvation of all men." (RSV) How beautiful! The sequence of phrases puts in good perspective the reality of His manifestation. He is the gift of God's grace by which all men may be saved.
What does it mean to be in the grace of God?
Common Christian teaching is that grace is unmerited mercy (favor) that God gave to humanity by sending his Son, Jesus Christ, to die on a cross, thus securing man's eternal salvation from sin.
THE MEANING OF GRACE[edit] The word 'grace' (CHEN in Hebrew, CHARIS inGreek), as it is used in the scriptures, literally means 'favour', to bend or stoop in kindness to another as a superior to an inferior. It has the idea of graciousness in manner or action.
Waterfall ---your quote ----Therefore wouldn't Jesus have also come to teach us HOW to love God and how we should love one another? Wouldn't this suggest that "being" or at least attempting to be Christlike is desired by God also?
unsafe says
Jesus taught us about a certain type of Love Waterfall ----it is not human love which has many human demands -----I will love you if you don't hurt me ---I will love you as long as ---etc -----Jesus came to teach us about Agape Love ---an unconditional Love that will never Fail ---it has no demands ----or boundaries ----This love can only be gotten by having God in you --it is a fruit of the spirit not of our corrupted human nature ---we alone cannot produce Agape a Love that is consistence and True no matter what situation or person comes against you ----This is the Love Jesus came to teach us about -----
How are we suppose to Love God ----with Agape ---we are to put Him first before all else and obey His instructions and directions in our life ---we have to lay self down --God becomes out total focus ----He is first in our lives before our family before our spouse and before all else ----total obedience ----He gets all the Glory for loving our neighbour ----He gets all the Glory for all we do for others -----we are His total Servant
Waterfall --your quote ----Wouldn't this suggest that "being" or at least attempting to be Christlike is desired by God also? Living in obedience to the law of Christ?
unsafe says
No Human on their own power can be Christ like -----For Starters the Scripture is very clear that God love all His Creation but turns His face from the wicket ------we have a sinful human nature and in God's eyes we are away from Him -----He is there for us but we choose to disobey Him by not believing in His word which says it is Truth and not believing that sin keeps us from His presents so we have abandoned Him and we have put a wedge between Him and us by not changing the way we think -------
As far as living in obedience to the law of Christ -----What makes you Think that you or any human alone can live in obedience to Christ -----no man on their own power can do that and if we think we can we are gravely fooling ourselves -------
You either believe this Scripture or you don't -----God's word says it is Truth -----so who are we to dispute it -----
Whaterfall ---Your Quote ------Why does James tell us we are also justified by works and not by faith alone.
Proverbs 4:7 Wisdom is the principle thing so get wisdom and with all your getting get understanding --------
Waterfall you are just picking a piece of scripture and running with it to say that you can we saved by the works you do and the Bible is very clear on telling us that we are not saved by works -----
Lesson 11: Are We Justified by Works? (James 2:20-26)
unsafe says
you can read all ----I posted what is need to clarify your question
https://bible.org/seriespage/lesson-11-are-we-justified-works-james-220-26
We are justified by faith alone, but good works prove that our faith is genuine.
1. James believed, with Paul, that we are justified by faith alone.
First, we must keep in mind the two different problems that each man was addressing. Paul was writing to those who taught that we must add our works to faith in Christ in order to be justified. He stated plainly that to do so was to preach a false gospel and to put oneself under condemnation (Gal. 1:6-9). James, however, was writing to those who claimed that they had saving faith, but their lives did not show it. Their profession of faith was mere words, with no evidence of a changed life.
unsafe says ----you can also read here -----
James's Central Concern: Faith That Works
James 2 Commentary - James's Central Concern: Faith That Works - BibleGateway.com
The works James requires are not done apart from faith but done in faith, not done instead of faith but done because of faith. Faith is the underlying stance of Christian life; deeds are the way of life; becoming mature and complete is the goal of Christian life. James cannot be charged with opposing deeds to faith, since he does not say, "I will show you deeds instead of faith." Rather, he contends for a showing of both faith and deeds: I will show you my faith by what I do. He does not object to faith; he objects only to faith not accompanied by action. Simply stated, he wants Christians to have faith that works.
There is dead faith and alive Faith ------and That is what James is addressing -----