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As some of you may have noticed, I've been writing on a semi-regular basis about some of the stories in the Book of Exodus, because a lot of my personal devotional time has been reading through Exodus recently. Some stories are very challenging and not at all pleasant - but usually there's a grain of both hope and grace in them. This passage was like that. It's Exodus 23:20-33. It really isn't the nicest image of God (which caused me to do a lot of praying and reflecting about it) but it's also very hopeful. Here's what I'm offering today:

My Faith Thoughts: A Thought For The Week Of September 11, 2017
 
Nice that you found a good nugget in it but it's the kind of passage that provides fodder for both those who would Biblically justify ethnic cleansings and those who would denigrate the Bible for endorsing such things. The question is do you only look at the good nugget or do you somehow engage with the negative? Even if it is a later author projecting back on historical events, it does suggest that that author and/or their culture were open to the idea that God would commit or sanction ethnic cleansing on their behalf and to a strict literalist who sees their community as the modern day chosen, that might seem like a way of saying its okay for us to do it, too, if it is furthering "God's cause".
 
Nice that you found a good nugget in it but it's the kind of passage that provides fodder for both those who would Biblically justify ethnic cleansings and those who would denigrate the Bible for endorsing such things. The question is do you only look at the good nugget or do you somehow engage with the negative? Even if it is a later author projecting back on historical events, it does suggest that that author and/or their culture were open to the idea that God would commit or sanction ethnic cleansing on their behalf and to a strict literalist who sees their community as the modern day chosen, that might seem like a way of saying its okay for us to do it, too, if it is furthering "God's cause".
Which is exactly what it does suggest. Although I'm suggesting that it doesn't mean that God sanctions such a thing, but that we (even biblical authors) use God to justify our ungodly behaviour. If, indeed, all Scripture is useful, then we have to find a way to use such passages - and I've come to the conclusion that these are valid teaching passages that show us how even the most faithful of people can abuse their faith and their God by using them to justify heinous acts. So you have to engage with the negative - which is what I tried to do here - because otherwise it's simply left standing, since it's not going away.
 
Sort of like Montenegro in the Balkanizing ... this a dark hump to get across from the eastern sures of the holy land ... separated by a western wall (Wahl) of pure desire to control what Eris in event be incidental ... simulating Marc Twain and progressing into the triad ... a 3 pointy thing coming forth from the depths ... trident? I do believe IW made reference to it being a pathee to some ...

And pathy of man is a pain ... something to learn from ... albeit a host of fallen are againstit ... going for bust! The downfall of vanity, vanity, vanities in believing we're in control of what we don't know ... that devilish stranger ... European greenies?
 
I'm still working with Exodus for my personal devotions, and feel inclined again to write my public devotional on one of the more challenging aspects of the Book I've been reflecting on in my own mind - in this case, all the minute details about the building of the Ark and related items and the materials to be used. Dry reading, in some ways - but does it still have a message for us?

My Faith Thoughts: A Thought For The Week Of September 18, 2017
 
Do you find anything implicitly explicit in the arcane myth ... a myth of things gone by and fore gotten ... but gained in sub conscience ... that unseen steer!

First one must construct a mine ... depth of sol .. for well-contained intellect ... sacred? Should this be shared ... but mostly undesired ... by those wishing naïveté? Tis stunning cognizance ... once known as a revelation .. and someone said it should be left out of a book on the dark passions of God ... veiled love? Some people believe nothing can be availed ... drew upon or druid up ... in drag ... resulting in mummers. Ask Rev John he knows ... tis a concept from de rock ... a hard place for alternate myths ... like Blackamoor fus sure men ... could cause a fuss ... just over a name that few understand the depth 've the charge ...

Accrued word ... simulation of gathering tribulation ... the trouble with knowns ... incomplete Ness ...
 
Wow! You got all that out of a passage most people would skim over if they read it at all.
I tend to wonder about details. Where would they get the gold? I know that gold is found throughout the world: Yukon, Alaska, California, Australia. Was it also found in the middle east? The Israelites were poor people, former slaves. They would have had little when they left Egypt. I somehow don't imagine them panning for gold as they wandered through the desert. And gold is heavy. How much would a person carry on a journey mainly made on foot? And how much weight would it add to the Ark?
Instead of worrying the details, I like your message. The Ark of the Lord was to be the best and finest they could possibly make. We are to work to give God our best and finest - and to build and value our relationship with God.
 
What one finds in the small bits (once known as chits in another metaphor) can be expanded and X-pounded upon to wake the dead ... somnolent lyre if pluck doubt as legend/BaaLaD? Thus the 40 all pickled as drinking it in ...peccadillos? Maybe, maybe not ... expect everything even if appearing as nothing ... a lost love! Anything can be composted in a pig of moment ... sometimes appearing as a great sow over head ...this sucks aspirations into heaven ... a state of mine .. a large void place that worms it'sway around real stuff!

Sooner or later we decompose and re distribute in a trial of constitution to see how you behave in such troubles .. a tribulation. My grandfather had an iconic ditty outside his bedroom door that said "not to trouble ... trouble ... for if you did it would trouble you" ... an unrealized consequence for those not wishing to reason?

An illustration of somnolence? May he rest well as someone that now is not ... and thus nothing we can do about it ... yet he still comes to mind! Can you imagine such things? Possibly an unseen construct ... and as soul goes on ... like worm'ole in space ... a great void ...
 
Wow! You got all that out of a passage most people would skim over if they read it at all.
I tend to wonder about details. Where would they get the gold? I know that gold is found throughout the world: Yukon, Alaska, California, Australia. Was it also found in the middle east? The Israelites were poor people, former slaves. They would have had little when they left Egypt. I somehow don't imagine them panning for gold as they wandered through the desert. And gold is heavy. How much would a person carry on a journey mainly made on foot? And how much weight would it add to the Ark?
Instead of worrying the details, I like your message. The Ark of the Lord was to be the best and finest they could possibly make. We are to work to give God our best and finest - and to build and value our relationship with God.
Thanks. I've always said to people that you can find a gem (no pun intended) in any passage of Scripture. You just have to work hard at it sometimes.
 
A few days ago I did an interment for a family after conducting a funeral for their father/grandfather, etc. a few months ago. As we were talking at the cemetery, one of the families members said that he got through the grief by relying on God. And I started wondering about the idea of why we rely on God. What moves us to do so? I fleshed those thoughts out here:

My Faith Thoughts: A Thought For The Week Of October 2, 2017
 
Good piece as always. I like your faith thoughts almost more than your sermons for reading, I assume since they are written to be read rather than spoken.

That said, it's not one that really resonates with me. Even as a Christian, I think my biggest comfort and support was those around me. I certainly prayed for God's presence, but never really felt it unless, as some Christians insist, that human comfort and support is a sign of God's presence. That's very much a faith stance, though. One can just as easily attribute to our being a social animal and to the kindness and love of which most of us are capable.

Certainly, when Dad died, it was the support I had here (someone, I forget who, started a thread), that I had from family, co-workers, and friends, that was my "rock". It was the presence of so many who had known and worked with Dad over the decades, it was people going out of their way to be there (my employer's GM was in Kitchener on business and came to the memorial, a reminder again of how I picked the right company to work for). God never really entered into it for me, other than belief maybe being a motivator for some of those other people, regardless of his pastor's homily and prayers.

As for death, my hope and strength isn't in resurrection or an afterlife. Death is simply a stage in a cycle of life. It has it's place and is as natural and normal as being born. My hope is in a universe (or perhaps multi-verse) that is more than just me. I may be gone, but the world goes on. Memories of me will survive in those who know me, perhaps some of my creativity will survive in some form (stories or poems or whatever), the atoms that make up my body will find new places in the universe, but the distinctive person that is me has come and gone. And that isn't a source of fear or worry to me. Epicurus taught that Death is not to be feared because it marks the end of sensation and thought which means the end of physical suffering and anxiety, the highest good in his philosophy. While I don't agree with all of Epicureanism (it's too focussed on the individual and lacks a notion of kinship and relationship with other humans as Stoicism had), I am quite on board with this aspect.
 
Good piece as always. I like your faith thoughts almost more than your sermons for reading, I assume since they are written to be read rather than spoken.

That said, it's not one that really resonates with me. Even as a Christian, I think my biggest comfort and support was those around me. I certainly prayed for God's presence, but never really felt it unless, as some Christians insist, that human comfort and support is a sign of God's presence. That's very much a faith stance, though. One can just as easily attribute to our being a social animal and to the kindness and love of which most of us are capable.

Certainly, when Dad died, it was the support I had here (someone, I forget who, started a thread), that I had from family, co-workers, and friends, that was my "rock". It was the presence of so many who had known and worked with Dad over the decades, it was people going out of their way to be there (my employer's GM was in Kitchener on business and came to the memorial, a reminder again of how I picked the right company to work for). God never really entered into it for me, other than belief maybe being a motivator for some of those other people, regardless of his pastor's homily and prayers.

As for death, my hope and strength isn't in resurrection or an afterlife. Death is simply a stage in a cycle of life. It has it's place and is as natural and normal as being born. My hope is in a universe (or perhaps multi-verse) that is more than just me. I may be gone, but the world goes on. Memories of me will survive in those who know me, perhaps some of my creativity will survive in some form (stories or poems or whatever), the atoms that make up my body will find new places in the universe, but the distinctive person that is me has come and gone. And that isn't a source of fear or worry to me. Epicurus taught that Death is not to be feared because it marks the end of sensation and thought which means the end of physical suffering and anxiety, the highest good in his philosophy. While I don't agree with all of Epicureanism (it's too focussed on the individual and lacks a notion of kinship and relationship with other humans as Stoicism had), I am quite on board with this aspect.
Just wondering how wisdom informs you about death if you' ve never experienced it?
 
Quote from OP --------one of the families members said that he got through the grief by relying on God. And I started wondering about the idea of why we rely on God. What moves us to do so?

It is the Joy of The Lord that moves people to rely on God -----

Joy comes from relying on what God says in His word will actually come to Pass ------We can have The Joy of The Lord in all circumstances and situations that come into our lives when we trust in and rely on The Word of God to be True -----In death when we have the Holy Spirit we can have Joy in our Hearts as we know and have confidence in that our loved one is with God and is alive and well in Spirit -----so although we will grieve in the loss of not having the one we love here with us we can have peace in knowing that they still live in the Spirit and are home with the Lord which brings comfort and strength to get through the grieving process here in this physical world -----

James 1:2-4 (NKJV)
Profiting from Trials
2 My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, 3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. 4 But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing.

This is the word used in this scripture for Joy ---
5479. chara
Strong's Concordance
chara: joy, delight
Transliteration: chara
Phonetic Spelling: (khar-ah')
Short Definition: joy, gladness
Definition: joy, gladness, a source of joy.

Cognate: 5479 xará (another feminine noun from the root xar-, "extend favor, lean towards, be favorably disposed") – properly, the awareness (of God's) grace, favor; joy ("grace recognized").


Article on ---what is the Joy of the Lord -----for anyone interested

What is the joy of the Lord?


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Even as a Christian, I think my biggest comfort and support was those around me. I certainly prayed for God's presence, but never really felt it unless, as some Christians insist, that human comfort and support is a sign of God's presence. That's very much a faith stance, though. One can just as easily attribute to our being a social animal and to the kindness and love of which most of us are capable.

You're right that it is a faith stance. However, if one takes seriously the idea that Christ is incarnated by the church (that the church is the body of Christ) then the love, care and support of the church and its members is the love, care and support of Christ. Incarnation is very much the centrepiece of my personal theology. Usually by that I refer to the idea of God being incarnated in Jesus, but the idea of Jesus being incarnated in the church is also an important part of what I might call my incarnational faith.

Mendalla said:
As for death, my hope and strength isn't in resurrection or an afterlife. Death is simply a stage in a cycle of life. It has it's place and is as natural and normal as being born. My hope is in a universe (or perhaps multi-verse) that is more than just me. I may be gone, but the world goes on. Memories of me will survive in those who know me, perhaps some of my creativity will survive in some form (stories or poems or whatever), the atoms that make up my body will find new places in the universe, but the distinctive person that is me has come and gone. And that isn't a source of fear or worry to me. Epicurus taught that Death is not to be feared because it marks the end of sensation and thought which means the end of physical suffering and anxiety, the highest good in his philosophy. While I don't agree with all of Epicureanism (it's too focussed on the individual and lacks a notion of kinship and relationship with other humans as Stoicism had), I am quite on board with this aspect.

I actually don't know of very many people who truly fear death itself (except maybe for people who are truly afraid of spending an eternity in hell, or something like that.) I think what most people fear is the process of dying - that it will be painful, unpleasant. And I don't believe I spoke of fear in what I wrote. I spoke of the hope that death could in some way be overcome. I don't believe in resurrection or eternity because I "fear" death. I believe in resurrection and eternity because many years ago now I came to believe in an eternal God who is more powerful than death, and since I believe that eternal God loves me I also believe that eternal God will not surrender me to death. Death may be more powerful than I am, but it is not more powerful than God. My belief in resurrection and eternity is more of a natural outgrowth of what I have come to believe about God than it is a response of fear or uncertainty about death itself.

Thanks for your thoughts.
 
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It is the Joy of The Lord that moves people to rely on God -----

Joy comes from relying on what God says in His word will actually come to Pass

This comes across to me as a bit contradictory. If joy comes from relying on what God says then joy cannot move people to rely on God. Something else must move people to rely on God. One does not trust the word of a God one doesn't already rely on. This is a sort of chicken vs egg scenario you've put forward, except in this case it seems clear to me that reliance on God must come before the joy of the Lord. I'll ponder it though.

Thanks for your thoughts.
 
unsafe says ----Thanks for your reply ---I see what you are saying here -----I took from your statement that the man is a True Christ--ian ---

revsdd ---your quote ------ If joy comes from relying on what God says then joy cannot move people to rely on God

unsafe says -----and posted scripture
I agree with your statement here -----Joy is a Fruit of the Spirit -----your comment from above is this -----one of the families members said that he got through the grief by relying on God

Your comments here ---suggest to me that this person knows God already and believes and trust in Him ------this man is either a Christ--ian or he is not --he can't be both -----and God's word says this -----

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unsafe says ----
You can't rely on God if you don't know God ----the only way to know who God is -is through His word -------I personally feel God does pull on our heart to come to him just as Satan pulls on our Thinking to stay away from God -----we have a choice to choose to come to God or not if we so desire and the only way to get to know who God is through His word and by knowing God and what His word says and having the confidence that His Word works as it says --Alive and active that through our Faith and relying on the Holy Spirit to guide us in our times of trouble can bring joy into our mist to strengthen us in our time of need -----

unsafe says and posted scripture ---- and gives definition of waver ----

You either believe and have confidence in this scripture below or you don't ------wavering Faith will bring wavering results ------double minded ---wavering--Fluctuating; being in doubt; undetermined.-----KJV Dictionary ----waverer ---One who wavers; one who is unsettled in doctrine, faith or opinion.

. James 1:2-4 (NKJV)
Profiting from Trials
2 My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, 3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. 4 But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing.

unsafe says
Many people come to God in the wake of a disaster or crisis that comes upon them ------- that is the first step in wanting to know who God is ----you can't rely on God till you know God Personally and you can only do that through Receiving the Holy Spirit and being in His word and having the trust and Faith to know that in a bad situation you can have Joy in your heart by relying on who God is and that what He promises in His word will happen ----


In my view -----You can only rely on God if you first know God and believe and trust in what He says in His word will be True -----very hard to trust and rely on someone you don't see it takes work -- and the right kind of Faith
 
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