Muslims & Christians: Same God?
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airclean33
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--You keep thing ,I said I was GOD the Father. That is not the meaning. I meant We are a Part of the living GOD. This is crazy talking like this . Do you not understand ? You born of a Human couple . Are a part of them , your mother and dad. You are them . Yet you are more than, just that. You are also you , there is no other exactly like you. Dose this help?
BetteTheRed
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I was okay there until the last sentence.
You agree that Christians and Jews worship the same God, yes? But you think that this same God has hardened the hearts of just the Jewish people so that they can't believe in the trinitarian formula? Does that seem a strange behaviour on the part of God?
And if you agree that Jews are 'okay', in that they've got the right God, where do you get off rejecting the Muslim God as the same God? They specifically refer to Abraham as their ancestor, and claim knowledge of the One True God from Abraham's other son, Ihmael?
You agree that Christians and Jews worship the same God, yes? But you think that this same God has hardened the hearts of just the Jewish people so that they can't believe in the trinitarian formula? Does that seem a strange behaviour on the part of God?
And if you agree that Jews are 'okay', in that they've got the right God, where do you get off rejecting the Muslim God as the same God? They specifically refer to Abraham as their ancestor, and claim knowledge of the One True God from Abraham's other son, Ihmael?
blackbelt1961
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having the spirit of Life in you Brother does not make you God
airclean33
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-Hi BetteThe Red--
You do know the promise was not through Abrahams first son. But through his second son Ishmael. But through Isaac the promise was made. Isaac line was were the chosen would come. So came Israel 12 tribes , some say 13.Even then war would break them apart . Ten of the tribes are lost in the world even to this day. Through disobeying God. They changed the Sabbath day. As far as Ishmael an his family. They had not been in GODS plan for Israel . I how ever do believe if they wish to accept Jesus even as we have . They can come to the LORD GOD.
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Pavlos Maros
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Ok then. And agreed we aren't.
Pontifex Geronimo 13
#walkaway
BetteTheRed
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Let's just not worry about your little imaginary history lesson.
The Jews are monotheists, and you agree they worship the same god as you do.
The Muslims claim to worship the same god that Abraham did, the same ONE monotheistic god as the Jews. How about you stop deciding what god's plan might or might not be, and focus on some god definitions?
If we're all talking about the same ONE, monotheistic god that the Jews worshipped, how come the Jews worship the same god, in your opinion, and the Muslims don't?
Jesus fulfills OT prophecy and by doing so implies that Yahweh is His Father. So in that sense they are the same God. Without this fact, there would be no reason to identify Jesus' heavenly "Father" with the OT Yahweh. Jesus and the NT precede and thererfore don not comment on Muhammad's Allah. So Allah's identity with Yahweh is not a given and depends on whether the similarities or differences are cited in support of an identical or a new God. The Quran's denial that Jesus suffered on a cross is sufficient reason to deny the identity, as is the failure to embrace Jesus' self-understanding and message.
revsdd
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There are some Muslims who believe that Jesus was crucified (ie, nailed to a cross) but those who do would deny that he died on the cross, although this seems to contradict the Quran.
The Quran does state explicitly that "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not - Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power," (Sura 4:157-158)
Seeler
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Thank you - I never heard that beforee.
I did know that Muslims hold Jesus in high esteem.
revsdd
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I realized when I read the quote I offered from the Quran that I left out two important words. The quote should begin with "they say" or something like that. To be clear, in other words, that quote is rejecting a claim that Jesus was actually killed.
airclean33
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--Good morning --BetteTheRed--I will try to explain as well as I can. You see GOD was teaching me yesterday , as well as what I was posting. As for the Muslim Belief , in the God they follow. Dose it not seem strange to you, that there God, is telling them to kill Jews" and Israel" ? That they want to Kill all Christians . Last year over 300,000. This dose not seem to be the same God Red. That they believe Jesus The Christ" by the way they don't believe this also. Or That He is The Son of GOD. Now you mite say well The Jews don't believe this ether . But the Jews don't want to kill us , or I believe do they wish to kill Muslims. Our Lord Jesus Christ was born a Jew. He was tried by the Romans. Found to have no guilt, under The Law, yet was put to death by demand of the Jews. Which I believe was GODS plan. I have no hate , or bad feels for the Jews. I see there GOD, as the same GOD I follow. Could we Christians do anything else? Remember our Lord came through the tribe of Juda .Juda and Christianity are Israel", we have become the chosen of God," through Christ Jesus.
airclean - why are you saying such things? The vast majority of Muslims don't want to kill Jews. They don't want to kill Christians. They want to live happy, productive, peaceful lives. Their focus is on worshiping their God, providing for their families, and being good neighbors.
blackbelt1961
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revsdd
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As someone pointed out. There are approximately 1.3 billion Muslims in the world. If all of them wanted to kill us, we'd all be dead.
blackbelt1961
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agreed, its terrorism that is killing, most Muslims are peaceful people
airclean33
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--Hi Jae-- I would say ,you need to see the news of the world" . The Muslims believers have Killed over Three hundred thousand Christians Last Year alone. They are attacking Israel . almost every were in the world. Of course this is not every Muslin, I am sure, there are some" who do not agree with what is happening. But to come out an say " this just is not happening. IS a Lie. It is not getting less Jae. It is sad , we have let this it go ,as far as we have. We and other Nation's have tried to help those Muslims , who do not agree with those, who are killing others, and them" as well. It is time we stand by them. We have many Muslims who have come to This Great Country Of Freedom. so they could save there family's. I think that's great . I think it would be greater. For the free world, to make it safe" if there choice is to return to there homes, to rebuild .
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airclean33
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Have you no faith in your GOD Rev?---Try saying, what David as a young man said to a big Guy much stronger than he. What a mistake you have made. As you have declared war on GODS Chosen.
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