Muslims & Christians: Same God?

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Mystic said:
For me, this debate about "sameness" is simply a matter of political correctness and a need to placate. The 2 key questions are: (1) Do we focus on similarities or differences in conceptions of God? (2) Is Jesus crucial to the debate or basically irrelevant or rightly marginalized?

I'm more interested in practical questions arising from legion testimonies of Muslim converts:
(1) Why are so many Muslims converted to Christianity through visions of Jesus, and yet, they never (to my knowledge) see Muhammad in their NDEs?
(2) Given that Muslims believe Jesus is a great prophet with a virgin birth, why are so many of them convinced of His true deity through these visions, even though the Jesus of these visions does not explicitly claim divinity? This insight is apparently conveyed to them nonverbally through these visions.
(3) Why are Muslim converts blown away by the teaching that Yahweh and His Son Jesus teach us to love our enemies, bless those who curse us, and turn the other cheek?






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'wh'?
whence? wherefore? whippet?

your anecdotes? remind me of computer scientist Jacques Vallee (an homage to whom was played by Francois Truffaut in the fine movie ET: the Extra-Terrestrial) and his hobby of seriously trying to rigorously investigate the UAP/UFO phenomenon. a proper database takes resources and knowledge; proper investigation too. the database that he has created -- he still doesn't have an ontology as to what the UAP phenomenon is -- he has gone over and noticed certain patterns. there have been various different groups at different times who have tried to create databases, with differing results -- the main problem he says aboot these databases is that they are idiosyncratic -- they are difficult for people not of that group to understand. so now he is part of a group who are racing against retirement to seriously (with resources) to investigate this phenomena & try to create a rigorous database that other people can go over

so your mentioning of some people's experiences strikes me that it would be important for some kind of like database on those experiences, to avoid such problems as the various cognitive biases...collect the data as impartially as possible & then try to come up with an ontology...this would be invaluable to humanity...the word is deeply weird, bizarre things are happening that go imho beyond 'theism' & 'materialism'...what ontology can include such dyverse things as NDEs & alien abduction & strange objects falling from the sky & psi & the creation of reality itself & subjective experience?

i'm glad for things like the 'net & social media for shortening the time for people to communicate with each other -- that's why human progress was so slow in the past...carrier pigeon social media was waaaay too slow...
 
Yes, a scientific survey would be desirable. Among other resports, I have personally encountered a Muslim testimony of visionary conversion, viewed several YouTube testimonies of Muslim converts to Christianity, and heard missionary accounts of thousands of Muslim conversions through such visions.
 
chansen said:
Confirmation bias is a helluva drug.
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It helps us with our children (love, education, etc), our families, our cultures & our countries...we're Canadians here, those of us who are here, because of the comforting of confirmation bias...mmm, so warm, so comfy...

unconditional love is risen!
 
Mystic said:
Yes, a scientific survey would be desirable. Among other resports, I have personally encountered a Muslim testimony of visionary conversion, viewed several YouTube testimonies of Muslim converts to Christianity, and heard missionary accounts of thousands of Muslim conversions through such visions.
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I think we also need, in our silly culture, to have some kind of central place where we can send in our experiences like this?

unconditional love is risen!
 
The argument whether Muslims and Christians worship the same God is moot since we all see life through our own lenses. It's "how" we see that life that marks the measure our lives, and not "what" we believe. Live by the golden rule of 'doing as you would be done by' and you can't go wrong.
 
Neo said:
The argument whether Muslims and Christians worship the same God is moot since we all see life through our own lenses. It's "how" we see that life that marks the measure our lives, and not "what" we believe. Live by the golden rule of 'doing as you would be done by' and you can't go wrong.
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This idea of others doing as you will desire them to will cause great separations and divisions that may be thrilling to get back together though ... ultimately a wee black spot ... þ ' Ozon something disassociated from the assigned space? Dis possessed or exonerated ... explicated or just exorcised ... as a scroo' Op! A benign ribbing most likely improperly put forth in the biblical Shadow ... thus leading to a great Reuben ... or the interim medians being squeezed by polity ... extremely so as they see the extremes as dependable and unmovable ... like trump card ...
 
Luce NDs said:
... þ ' Ozon something disassociated from the assigned space? Dis possessed or exonerated ... explicated or just exorcised ... as a scroo' Op! A benign ribbing most likely improperly put forth in the biblical Shadow ... thus leading to a great Reuben ... or the interim medians being squeezed by polity ... extremely so as they see the extremes as dependable and unmovable ... like trump card ...
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Sorry Luce, but I don't speak nor understand gibberish.
 
Pr. Jae said:
Yeah, crop that @Luce NDs - if you want to cleave with people here, ice proper English. No more of thick gobbled deficit.
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Cleave with ... or cloven to? Really confuses the two Tao'd folk ... you did know Tao refers to word? Is this duplicitous for people wishing ID only one way instead of divined ... or removal of the veins?
 
blackbelt1961 said:
that would be the reason why most here, wont and don't respond to your posts
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and Babble was your g_d's attempt to slow down humanity's progress towards being truly an adult critter -- your g_d thought that humanity, then, wasn't ready yet (or perhaps that g_d was afraid...if humanity became as He, then they wouldn't need Him anymore or couldn't be bossed around any more...competition...the OT g_d is SUCH a trickster...)

""On the bare rocks, on the everlasting glaciers,
on every peak of the Alps where providence
has positioned us as a faithful defence of our
parishes, we, who are purified by our duty
carried out amidst the utmost danger,
we lift up our hearts to Thee, O Lord, asking you to protect
our mothers, our wives,
our children and our brothers who are far away
help us to be worthy of the glorious deeds
of our forefathers.
Omnipotent God governing all the elements,
save us, armed as we are with faith and love.
Save us from the implacable ice, from the swirling of the
storm, from the power of the avalanche,
guide our feet to safe footholds
on steep mountain-tops, on vertical cliff-faces,
across the insidious crevasses,
make our weapons strong against anyone
that threatens our country, our Flag,
and our thousand-year old Christian civilisation.
And Thou, Mother of God, whiter than snow,
Thou that hast recognised and gathered up
every type of suffering and every sacrifice
of all the Alpini that have fallen,
you who recognise and gather up every yearning
and every hope
of all the Alpini living and in arms.
Bless and look kindly on our Battalions
and our Groups.
Amen."
--Alpini Prayer, during that time when the Italians dug trenches OUT OF MOUNTAINSIDES to fight against Austria
unconditional love is risen!
 
Inannawhimsey said:
and Babble was your g_d's attempt to slow down humanity's progress towards being truly an adult critter -- your g_d thought that humanity, then, wasn't ready yet (or perhaps that g_d was afraid...if humanity became as He, then they wouldn't need Him anymore or couldn't be bossed around any more...competition...the OT g_d is SUCH a trickster...)

unconditional love is risen!
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kinda Like the babbles between Luce NDs & WC2 goers !

dam Inna you are a Prophet !!
 
blackbelt1961 said:
that would be the reason why most here, wont and don't respond to your posts
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In nonsense curios people would be driven to consider ... "wonder what that is?" even if they are afraid of what it means about virtue instead of condemnation of the neighbour! Alas stoics with closed minds about unknown words recess in the eye of Gods wisdom ... that attribute of eternal-ism knowing enough to stay away from destructive creations ... heavenly failures?

Thus God will continue to be elusive to us ... as that attribute (love) is so fragile in a hostile environment for locking out strange things! There are imp*lications ... we could be eternally licked by the enigma (of Gods)! Thus no end to the words of which I am proud to be part of and will depart only wit a pile of eM ... just to stir rare curiosities that are not closed like human minds!
 
Is this like un responsible or just irresponsible about not knowing what the neighbour knows and won't tell because it is illegal under biblical pretenses ... the etymological tree of word being evil as it lays out wordy evolution?

Thus under KJ authority we are dismissed into the domain of unknowing ... and thus lost it ... and KJ was thus successful even to those presently stymied by his poetic creation generated by a crowd (others) of celibates ... celebrated what they know about be clear of passions ... KJ didn't really do it. He couldn't as an illiterate in strange linguists.

You may have something in common with that authority! Aren't you glad you don't understand me as I speak of dark odd things ... compressed to "g" odds, or quantum understanding ... proven to be quirky in human domains ... any inherent knowledge being subtle or buried so the authorities won't know you are psychically meditating ... when souls were condemned to preservation by pickle ... like un Jude'n pork in the brine Punch!
 
Does anyone think that prophets speak in the tongue that people readily understand, or, *gasp* like? If it was easy, and we all 'got it', why are we where we are?
 
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