It feels like Revelation is the false prophecy being held in highest regard and actually used as an excuse for real violence in the world so it “comes true”. It’s a breaking of the fourth wall kind of thing to see it this way.
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Making All Things New: (Revelation 21: 1-8)
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If they don't make it ---it is their fee Choice ----every one going through the Tribulation can be saved if they want to be ----all they have to do is receive Jesus in their hearts ------and there will be a great number of people receiving Jesus at that time -----but some will reject God's free offer ----and so they make their own choice and decide where they want to end up ------
Was Jesus the fire that ignited charisma in Rome and burned it to the ground? It was a small spark in the wood work ...
Fires are often indeterminate regarding how they expand ... but yet there are those flaming determinates that will tell you exactly how it is based n their book and any other bok is evil ad dark to them ... until getting beyond themselves to observe the self as nothing more than a carrier of information whether it be mule, camel, or some raven beast of some tenor ... that is to say beyond themselves like Chanson da mour ... the song never ends ... it just decreases to a whimpering background radiance in the cosmos ... and many will be opposed to that as conflict is much prized over cooperation ... thus the entire thing collapses physically to create essence, smoke, mire, or smudge ... marks in the chimney?
Fire has always been somewhat wholly ... thus we blaze on when heated ... be khol, set and observe ... a myth may come to yah ... they may resemble a dream!
Charismatic directions and vectors seem to be destructive ... look what it did to some old goats of determination ... even Abraham was somewhat toasted ... in a grand barbeque ... he TU ... fell for it ...
Fires are often indeterminate regarding how they expand ... but yet there are those flaming determinates that will tell you exactly how it is based n their book and any other bok is evil ad dark to them ... until getting beyond themselves to observe the self as nothing more than a carrier of information whether it be mule, camel, or some raven beast of some tenor ... that is to say beyond themselves like Chanson da mour ... the song never ends ... it just decreases to a whimpering background radiance in the cosmos ... and many will be opposed to that as conflict is much prized over cooperation ... thus the entire thing collapses physically to create essence, smoke, mire, or smudge ... marks in the chimney?
Fire has always been somewhat wholly ... thus we blaze on when heated ... be khol, set and observe ... a myth may come to yah ... they may resemble a dream!
Charismatic directions and vectors seem to be destructive ... look what it did to some old goats of determination ... even Abraham was somewhat toasted ... in a grand barbeque ... he TU ... fell for it ...
If one only preaches fire and brimstone ... will the source eventually catch and burn out?
Thus the mystery created the kohl of the Evei Ninj ... if only for the shut out and relief of the shadows ... this shade may wander ... often off in space as a dark funnel ... with expanding margins (umbra vs penumbra)? Simulates a w on end or 3 on the run ... don't miss the hole show! It is immortal ... goes on and on unlike some powers ... self corrupting? As if we didn't know ... and yet many do not due to folly ... knocked out with the sparks, etc. Pyro technique ...
Thus the mystery created the kohl of the Evei Ninj ... if only for the shut out and relief of the shadows ... this shade may wander ... often off in space as a dark funnel ... with expanding margins (umbra vs penumbra)? Simulates a w on end or 3 on the run ... don't miss the hole show! It is immortal ... goes on and on unlike some powers ... self corrupting? As if we didn't know ... and yet many do not due to folly ... knocked out with the sparks, etc. Pyro technique ...
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I like that your theology allows for redemption right up to the very end of the age.
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That is God in His Grace and Mercy wanting every single person to have the Chance to have eternal life so they can reside in the New Earth with Him -------
The Gospel will be preached all over this world --there will not be one person who has not heard the Gospel of Grace preached by the end of the Tribulation -----there are 2 witnesses who I believe are Moses and Elijah representing the Law and the Prophets Preaching the Gospel as well as the 12 Tribes of Israel the 144,000 Jews will be spreading God's Word to all people -----all will have the chance to be saved ----
Moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus when He was Transfigured -------so it makes sense that they will be the 2 witnesses -----
And it says at the Beginning of Revelation 1
3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy,
and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.
So it can't be a bad thing to read Revelation and understand it and be Blessed doing it -----
Revelations is like an epiphany ... for those that believe when getting to the edge you find nothing goes on and on interminably ... like many ministers talking about immortal matters when they don't really believe in the length of this measure ...! The fundamentalists that hammered on me as a child just claimed everything had to stop ... however! The brakes were poor ... fractured? Thus the railway to heaven is like the streetcar of willies ... some say desires as a cat on a hot thin place ... do not fall into that without a good Ba 'sis ... all myths tend to be ephemeral ... like Ephraim! There the fool was framed ... by that which was all over hymn ... imagine facing such music!
This is difficult to elucidate to some hard liners ... they cannot accept nebulous life that comes and goes ... like strange seize ... and they were caught up in nut!
Immortal topics are extensive and inflationary ... drives polity and the poles of the populace ... the gentility of the populace might be dicey given what's passed down tome ... unread manuscripts? Thus the unde lighted ... smoldering parts ...
This is difficult to elucidate to some hard liners ... they cannot accept nebulous life that comes and goes ... like strange seize ... and they were caught up in nut!
Immortal topics are extensive and inflationary ... drives polity and the poles of the populace ... the gentility of the populace might be dicey given what's passed down tome ... unread manuscripts? Thus the unde lighted ... smoldering parts ...
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So I am currently reading a book about the Bronze Age Collapse. Short version is that between 1200BCE and 1100BCE, several societies in the Eastern Mediterranean and Aegean either collapsed entirely (Mycenean Greece, Cyprus, Ugarit) or underwent major upheavals (Assyria and Egypt). Causes at this point appear to be multiple, including a drought that covered much of the Mediterranean leading to local famines, migrations triggered by those famines leading to invasions and wars (referred to generically by modern historians as the "Sea Peoples" though we actually know who some of them were, e.g. the Philistines), as well as some other natural disasters like epidemics and earthquakes. There might even have been internal uprisings in some societies, again triggered by the famines and other events. Some of this shows up in the OT, and the kingdoms of Judah and Israel were two of the societies that emerged in the wake of the disasters.
In Jesus day, this was less than a millennium in the past. One wonders if records and stories of the collapse were still around because it is actually exactly the kind of thing one pictures with the "Tribulation". Civilizations falling or on the ropes, then new civilizations, or reformed versions of the old ones, replacing them after a time of chaos (sometimes called "Dark Ages" though modern historians and archaeologists don't like that term since there are still lots of records and archaeology that show there were societies existing, just changed from what went before).
In Jesus day, this was less than a millennium in the past. One wonders if records and stories of the collapse were still around because it is actually exactly the kind of thing one pictures with the "Tribulation". Civilizations falling or on the ropes, then new civilizations, or reformed versions of the old ones, replacing them after a time of chaos (sometimes called "Dark Ages" though modern historians and archaeologists don't like that term since there are still lots of records and archaeology that show there were societies existing, just changed from what went before).
What's the name of the book, sounds interesting.
on my Footsteps of St. Paul tour, we went to the gorgeous island of Santorini near Egypt, site of the greatest volcanic eruption in antiquity that wiped out Minoan civilization. You can see the volcano's rim outside the harbor, now covered by water. In the museum is a stele that shows Semitic people walking through the sea. Exodus says Moses took an ethnically "mixed" multitude out of slavery in Egypt. Does this stele commemorate the Reed Sea crossing? If so, the non-Hebrews among the escapees soon went their separate ways.
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1177 : The Year Civilization Collapsed by Eric Cline. Make sure you get the 2021 edition. Some important new evidence about the drought hypothesis came out after the original edition in 2014. My library has both in Hoopla so I had to be careful because the cover didn't change.
Here is the podcast where I heard him interviewed:
The Bronze Age Collapse | The Ancients
Listen to The Bronze Age Collapse from The Ancients. The Bronze Age Collapse was one of the most cataclysmic events in human history. Over just a few decades, civilisations across the Mediterranean from Greece and Egypt to Mesopotamia and Babylon abruptly deteriorated, bringing an end to one...
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And even Cline concedes the "1177" year was kind of forced on him by his publisher. The events actually took place over several years/decades. E.g. Two Egyptian pharoahs recorded victories over invaders (the so-called "sea peoples") in their reigns.
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Weakened, not wiped out. In fact, the Myceneans took control of Crete after that and were in control at the time of the Bronze Age collapse. They kept a lot of the Minoans sites and their trade ties with places like Egypt. How do we tell the difference? Minoan writing, called Linear A, has never been translated so we have no idea what language they spoke whereas later tablets are Linear B script, which is definitely recording an archaic, Bronze Age form of Greek.
Thank you, I was looking for something to read and also for the podcasts, probably listen before I go to bed.1177 : The Year Civilization Collapsed by Eric Cline. Make sure you get the 2021 edition. Some important new evidence about the drought hypothesis came out after the original edition in 2014. My library has both in Hoopla so I had to be careful because the cover didn't change.
Here is the podcast where I heard him interviewed:
The Bronze Age Collapse | The Ancients
Listen to The Bronze Age Collapse from The Ancients. The Bronze Age Collapse was one of the most cataclysmic events in human history. Over just a few decades, civilisations across the Mediterranean from Greece and Egypt to Mesopotamia and Babylon abruptly deteriorated, bringing an end to one...
And even Cline concedes the "1177" year was kind of forced on him by his publisher. The events actually took place over several years/decades. E.g. Two Egyptian pharoahs recorded victories over invaders (the so-called "sea peoples") in their reigns.
What are you defining as an era because it can vary.
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Oh I don't have anything specific figured out. Just asking in general terms
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Maybe not so much specific historic events necessarily (though specific examples could have been involved), but all of them represent things that happened historically. I mean you have Conquest (the fall of Jerusalem, plus by the time Revelations was written things like the invasion of Britain had happened), Death (happens all the time), War (ditto on Jerusalem, ongoing frontier conflicts between the empire and people like the Parthians), Pestilence (can't think of any plagues from that era but there were likely local outbreaks and just the ongoing diseases people get from living).
Okay I was just wondering, because Jesus also described these events in what is often referred to as the "Olivet prophecy" in Mathew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21, close to his death.
So it possibly could have have begun then, but so much usually occurs almost every century, so I'm leaning towards historical events, closer together, so we would relate it more to what Jesus said.
But I really don't know.
Edited bible passages of Luke and Mark
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