Judas: Who Was At Fault here?

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Confronting Atonement Theology

The Rev. Eric Folkerth finds that the notion of atonement -- that Jesus' death was a sacrifice required by God to save humanity -- doesn't hold up when viewed through Scripture's overarching witness.
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Anyone interested in refuting atonement theology as we know it? This is a wonderful article. It isn't short but it is very readable.

I realize that I have been looking at Judas through the lens of God requiring the sacrificial death of Jesus. What if we look at Judas through a different lens???
 
I like the idea he thought Jesus had gone off track without knowing what track Judas thought he should be on. But he could have been an agent for the temple or the Romans.
 
I heard there was once a philosophy allowing for a twinned Jesus ... one diabolically contrary to some BS!

This could relate to severe cosmological wobble ... contributing to the weave of the myth! Something to get right into ..
 
That's a great article, thanks, paradox3.

Best quote:

In his essay, "God Does Not Demand Blood," Daniel Bell unpacks this beautifully:

"...Christ's faithfulness even to the point of death on the cross marks not a divine demand for retribution, but a divine refusal to hold our rebellion against us. God offers us life and we reject it. God continues to offer it, in the form of love incarnate, and we crucify him. Yet even now, God will not lash out against us but instead raises Jesus up and sends him back with the same offer of life. Christ is God bearing offense, even the offense of the cross, without holding it against us, without giving up on us, without exacting compensation or inflicting retribution, instead continuing to extend the offer of communion. Christ's work of atonement, including the cross, is nothing less than God refusing our refusal; Christ is God rejecting our rejection and instead continuing to offer us the gift of life and love. Even after we crucified him."
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It is possible that Judas' actions prevented mob violence and many more deaths. He led the authorities to Jesus quietly at night.

There are some (albeit farfetched IMO) hypotheses about Judas being an alter ego of Jesus. In both cases one death can be seen as preventing many more.

This is without even considering the matter of eternal salvation! Good Friday was an ugly scene but it could have been even uglier.
 
You don't expect people to read illegitimate books on relating processes?

Monarchists declare that screw ups are their responsibility although they cannot be taken to task due to they are not to do anything but be head symbols ... thus Cajon ... a Baloch in UK! Maybe a block head if congested ...
 
Jesus must have trusted Judas because He made Judas the group's treasurer.
Judas's nickname "iscariot" is significant: it is sometimes taken to mean "man of Kerioth.," a tiny Judean village. This interpretation is unlikely for 2 reasons:
(1) If Judas really were named for his home village, he would be known as "Judas of Kerioth" as in "Paul of Tarsus" and "Jesus of Nazareth,"
not as "Judas, man (Hebrew: "is") of Kerioth."

(2) It is unlikely that Judas would be from Judea when all of the other disciples seem to come from Galilee.
"Iscariot" is more likely the Aramaic equivalent of the Latin "sicarius ," meaning "dagger." The Sicarii were Jewish guerillas who hid in crowds during Jewish festivals and used hidden daggers to kill wealthy Jews who were benefitting from Roman occupation. Judas would then have been attracted to Jesus in the hope that He would turn out to be a political Messiah liberating the Jews from Rome. Judas' betrayal may reflect his disillusionment about this expectation.

(3) Another source of his disillusionment may have been Jesus' response to his protest against Mary wasting 300 days wages worth of nard in an excessive act of by pouring this on Jesus' feet as an expression of worship. Judas protests:

"Why was this perfume not sold for 300 days wages and the money given to the poor?"

Progressives who mistake Jesus' central mission in terms of social justice programs will be as offended as Judas by Jesus' allegedly insensitive response:
"You always have the poor with you, but you don't always have me." But Jesus, I thought your mission was to diminish poverty! Jesus' preference for Mary's act of worship over feeding the poor here would be ego-aggrandisement, if Jesus were not God incarnate. In fact there are other Gospel examples of disciples worshiping Jesus with His approval.

In conclusion here is the question I ponder most about Judas: Jesus rehabilitates Peter in a private resurrection appearance even after Peter denies Him 3 times in the high priest's courtyard. Might not Judas have been similarly rehabilitated in a private resurrection appearance from Jesus if he had not committed suicide?
 
Mystic said:
Jesus must have trusted Judas because He made Judas the group's treasurer.
Judas's nickname "iscariot" is significant: it is sometimes taken to mean "man of Kerioth.," a tiny Judean village. This interpretation is unlikely for 2 reasons:
(1) If Judas really were named for his home village, he would be known as "Judas of Kerioth" as in "Paul of Tarsus" and "Jesus of Nazareth,"
not as "Judas, man (Hebrew: "is") of Kerioth."

(2) It is unlikely that Judas would be from Judea when all of the other disciples seem to come from Galilee.
"Iscariot" is more likely the Aramaic equivalent of the Latin "sicarius ," meaning "dagger." The Sicarii were Jewish guerillas who hid in crowds during Jewish festivals and used hidden daggers to kill wealthy Jews who were benefitting from Roman occupation. Judas would then have been attracted to Jesus in the hope that He would turn out to be a political Messiah liberating the Jews from Rome. Judas' betrayal may reflect his disillusionment about this expectation.

(3) Another source of his disillusionment may have been Jesus' response to his protest against Mary wasting 300 days wages worth of nard in an excessive act of by pouring this on Jesus' feet as an expression of worship. Judas protests:

"Why was this perfume not sold for 300 days wages and the money given to the poor?"

Progressives who mistake Jesus' central mission in terms of social justice programs will be as offended as Judas by Jesus' allegedly insensitive response:
"You always have the poor with you, but you don't always have me." But Jesus, I thought your mission was to diminish poverty! Jesus' preference for Mary's act of worship over feeding the poor here would be ego-aggrandisement, if Jesus were not God incarnate. In fact there are other Gospel examples of disciples worshiping Jesus with His approval.

In conclusion here is the question I ponder most about Judas: Jesus rehabilitates Peter in a private resurrection appearance even after Peter denies Him 3 times in the high priest's courtyard. Might not Judas have been similarly rehabilitated in a private resurrection appearance from Jesus if he had not committed suicide?
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Mathew 26:24 may be your answer?
 
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