Could be many things. It's all speculation or just as it says.
Judas: Who Was At Fault here?
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Imagine if God entails everything and beyond ... and mortals refuse to believe such HS!
Then there are those that can deny anything to win against anything that claim to be unfamiliar with.
Imagine what the classical philosophers of roman tendencies and their allies would have done with an alien out of Galilee!
All on has to declare is that "I don't know" under the rules of the great book/tome that declared we should avoid or deviate around the tree of knowledge, etc.
All one has to do s get folk to follow an opposing laws-et to the Golden Rule! That should ease even consciences ... so that where there was one it is not dispersed ... folk thus know even less! It is an emotional goal! Thus many are skewered and aren't even aware or WOKE! That word can be diabolical to all within context of a psychopathic assessment!
Remember the idea is to win whatever the cost! --- some omnipotent politician! It is said omnipotence can set a person into a blind journey ... dirty, arid and dusty as a night under the stars or other celebrity. Such grits and grinds go on in various states intending to win God Knows What! Is that sarcastic compared to saying nothing?
It is wonderful that few understand and thus do not read by writs, generating alien and abstract thought ranges ... some drip right over the vanishing point on a lost horizon! May resemble Hawking's event horizon in an other scientific enigma that is disposed by the stoic on the matter of evolving alterations ... like castrations, etc. People do things like this to control the unknowing masses ...
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paradox3
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Been thinking a bit about the human Jesus. How awful for him to have experienced the ultimate betrayal by one of his closest associates.
The theory that has Jesus and Judas in cahoots to bring about the inevitable is interesting. But I don't find myself accepting the idea.
Now did the devil enter Judas as Luke and John suggest? I see this as an attempt by the gospel writers to explain some terrible behaviour.
Goodness this is a complex story. Will be paying close attention in church on Good Friday
The theory that has Jesus and Judas in cahoots to bring about the inevitable is interesting. But I don't find myself accepting the idea.
Now did the devil enter Judas as Luke and John suggest? I see this as an attempt by the gospel writers to explain some terrible behaviour.
Goodness this is a complex story. Will be paying close attention in church on Good Friday
paradox3
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Greedy?
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See, that's actually the interesting version. The problem is, if you actually made a movie like that, a certain segment of the population would be out in force to protest it. OMGWTFBBQ? Judas might have been human and not influenced by the Devil? Heresy!!!
Was it something about the leaders demanding loyalty no matter what?
There may be a subtle reason why Judas went down ... a heavy purse? That's dense ... and money tends to dull intelligence ... note I said tends ... as all rules have exceptions just to disrupt the hard law makers. There is sophistication even in the darkness of thieves ...
There may be a subtle reason why Judas went down ... a heavy purse? That's dense ... and money tends to dull intelligence ... note I said tends ... as all rules have exceptions just to disrupt the hard law makers. There is sophistication even in the darkness of thieves ...
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My view
Judas was never a true follower of Jesus ------he is the perfect example of a false Christian --- ----they are whitewashed on the outside and defiled on the inside ------God the Father knew where Judas's heart was and Jesus picked who His Father told Him to pick to follow Him ---Jesus obeyed His Father's Will --not His own ----
Judas was a lover of money and was placed in his right position for God's Plan to work out ----Judas sealed his own fate all by himself -----just like we do today ------Judas had every opportunity to go back to Jesus and repent of his sin ---that he knew he did ---but he chose not to and the guilt and shame drove him to hang himself ---
4 “I have sinned,” he said. “I handed over a man who is not guilty.”
“What do we care?” they replied. “That’s your problem.”
5 So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.
Judas was never a true follower of Jesus ------he is the perfect example of a false Christian --- ----they are whitewashed on the outside and defiled on the inside ------God the Father knew where Judas's heart was and Jesus picked who His Father told Him to pick to follow Him ---Jesus obeyed His Father's Will --not His own ----
Judas was a lover of money and was placed in his right position for God's Plan to work out ----Judas sealed his own fate all by himself -----just like we do today ------Judas had every opportunity to go back to Jesus and repent of his sin ---that he knew he did ---but he chose not to and the guilt and shame drove him to hang himself ---
Matthew 27:3-5-----we see here Judas knew exactly that he had sinned against God
New International Reader's Version
3 Judas, who had handed him over, saw that Jesus had been sentenced to die. He felt deep shame and sadness for what he had done. So he returned the 30 silver coins to the chief priests and the elders.4 “I have sinned,” he said. “I handed over a man who is not guilty.”
“What do we care?” they replied. “That’s your problem.”
5 So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.
Judas followed IO Zus into deep and subtler myths ... initiating the theory of IO's ... and thus we do the return ... to where we came from! Said to be nothing ... isn't that something? Word can develop into a sophisticated mass that powers deny as they avoid reading to get around the writ! Some abstract may be required as temporal ... tis a twilight zone ...
Suppose IO's is Greek and not Latin; what does that do with myths, warp eM? Few travel in that vector ... said toby a path less travelled ...
Suppose IO's is Greek and not Latin; what does that do with myths, warp eM? Few travel in that vector ... said toby a path less travelled ...
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This sounds a bit like the story from Exodus. God hardened Pharaoh's heart. Then God punished Pharaoh for having a hard heart. A Catch 22 situation, if ever there was one.. How come Judas had a chance to seal his own fate, when he was in the same position as Pharaoh, who was damned if he did, and damned of he didn't?My view
Judas was never a true follower of Jesus ------he is the perfect example of a false Christian --- ----they are whitewashed on the outside and defiled on the inside ------God the Father knew where Judas's heart was and Jesus picked who His Father told Him to pick to follow Him ---Jesus obeyed His Father's Will --not His own ----
Judas was a lover of money and was placed in his right position for God's Plan to work out ----Judas sealed his own fate all by himself -----just like we do today ------Judas had every opportunity to go back to Jesus and repent of his sin ---that he knew he did ---but he chose not to and the guilt and shame drove him to hang himself ---
Matthew 27:3-5-----we see here Judas knew exactly that he had sinned against God
New International Reader's Version
3 Judas, who had handed him over, saw that Jesus had been sentenced to die. He felt deep shame and sadness for what he had done. So he returned the 30 silver coins to the chief priests and the elders.
4 “I have sinned,” he said. “I handed over a man who is not guilty.”
“What do we care?” they replied. “That’s your problem.”
5 So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.
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No ----God knew that Pharaoh would not change his hardened heart and God allowed Pharaoh to have his own way ---just like God allows us to have our own way -----we can choose to obey God's pull on our heart or reject that that pull -----
How many chances did God Give Pharaoh to change his ways and obey God's plea to let the Hebrews go ------many ---Pharaoh himself refuses to do as God wanted ------
So Pharaoh choose his own fate just like Judas did -------
we humans hate to take the blame for our own fate ---we like to play the blame game and blame God for what we do ourselves ------
Pharaoh's heart remained hardened because he wanted it to ----all by himself -----
Redbaron
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No. He didn't. Go read Exodus again, and pay attention this time.
In particular, Exodus 4:18-22. Pharaoh didn't have a choice. Why do you think Judas did, if it was God's foreordained plan?