Jesus Christ Superstar

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Jae said:
There is good news for those seeking entertainment that is a bit more biblical. "The Ten Commandments" is also on tonight.
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The problem with DeMille's story (and it's a great movie) is that it's got so much extraneous material that it can hardly be considered any more biblical that "Superstar" in my opinion.
 
What is the virtual sense of a biblical myth? Is it understandable as the primal command is to not approach the tree of knowledge ... allows the creation of a crazy world ... outlander's insanity!

We peek/leer in from time to time as sub conscience ...
 
I've watched The Ten Commandments so many Easters that I almost know the dialogue. Great story from the book of Exodus in the Hebrew Scriptures. I don't understand why it is so popular at Easter when there are so many stories of the Risen Christ and the early witnesses.
 
Mendalla said:
Or, thanks to the miracle of PVR, you can watch both. :D

I assume we're talking the classic 1956 version with Charlton Heston as Moses (which was actually a remake of the 1923 silent version done by the same director, the incomparable Cecil B. Demille). There have been a slew of other versions of the story over the past couple decades but that one is the gold standard.
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Yes, Heston.
 
revsdd said:
The problem with DeMille's story (and it's a great movie) is that it's got so much extraneous material that it can hardly be considered any more biblical that "Superstar" in my opinion.
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Respectfully disagree with you Steven. Does The Ten Commandments take liberties? It does. As much as Jesus Christ Superstar? Certainly not.
 
Seeler said:
I've watched The Ten Commandments so many Easters that I almost know the dialogue. Great story from the book of Exodus in the Hebrew Scriptures. I don't understand why it is so popular at Easter when there are so many stories of the Risen Christ and the early witnesses.
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I have always assumed because of the link between Easter and PAssover -- which is also at this time of year
 
Jae said:
Respectfully disagree with you Steven. Does The Ten Commandments take liberties? It does. As much as Jesus Christ Superstar? Certainly not.
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actually I find that on the whole JCS stays pretty close to the Gospel accounts.
 
GordW said:
actually I find that on the whole JCS stays pretty close to the Gospel accounts.
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Really Gord. The gospel accounts have Jesus as divine, and have him resurrected at the end. Perhaps those things aren't important to you. They certainly are to me.
 
Jae said:
Really Gord. The gospel accounts have Jesus as divine, and have him resurrected at the end. Perhaps those things aren't important to you. They certainly are to me.
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So the story stops before the end...that does not mean it varies from the [art of the story it DOES tell. And the "wholly divine/wholly human equation is understood in a variety of ways. JCS highlights the human side (which those of us with a lower Christology do not mind so much) but does not deny the other.

Then again you have yet to watch it (unless something has changed in the last couple of days). SO maybe before continuing to comment on it based on what you have heard/read you should watch it and make a decision for yourself.
 
GordW said:
So the story stops before the end...that does not mean it varies from the [art of the story it DOES tell. And the "wholly divine/wholly human equation is understood in a variety of ways. JCS highlights the human side (which those of us with a lower Christology do not mind so much) but does not deny the other.

Then again you have yet to watch it (unless something has changed in the last couple of days). SO maybe before continuing to comment on it based on what you have heard/read you should watch it and make a decision for yourself.
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Thanks, but I'll pass. I have as much interest in watching my Lord mocked as I do in drinking turpentine.
 
The Gospel of Mark, to the 'real' ending, doesn't really get very far when it comes to the resurrection, either. The three women flee from the graveyard, so frightened by the empty tomb and the words of the person dressed in white that they disobey its instructions to tell the others that Jesus is risen and will meet them in Galilee, as promised.
 
BetteTheRed said:
The Gospel of Mark, to the 'real' ending, doesn't really get very far when it comes to the resurrection, either. The three women flee from the graveyard, so frightened by the empty tomb and the words of the person dressed in white that they disobey its instructions to tell the others that Jesus is risen and will meet them in Galilee, as promised.
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As far as "Easter" is concerned, the primary point of the Gospel accounts (all of them) is not so much the actual resurrection of Jesus as the mystery of the discovery of the empty tomb. Encounters with the risen Jesus come later (earliest in John, to Mary Magdalene, outside the tomb), somewhat later in Matthew (to the women as they were running to tell the disciples), later still in Luke (to the disciples on the Road to Emmaus) and never in the original ending to Mark, with the later ending seeming to be a kind of compilation of the various accounts of encounters with the risen Jesus.

But the initial Gospel message about Easter focused far more on the mystery than the celebration.
 
Jae said:
Thanks, but I'll pass. I have as much interest in watching my Lord mocked as I do in drinking turpentine.
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ANd yet you have no way of knowing if mocking is in fact the nature of the show.... (other than the mocking that is part and parcel of the Passion story as related in the Gospels of course) WAtch it/don't watch it, whatever floats your boat. But maybe refrain from making evaluatory comments on what is in something you have not watched. Because it makes you look a little foolish.
 
Mystery ... a dark formless void ... like the human soul .. once considered cosmological ... even taken Cereus ... as a means of abstract ... this once meant unravelling enigmas ... like naïveté ... tis nothing so say!

There it Leis as a hollow shell ... pure myth!

Can such myth go on? CS Lewis speaks of it as if you can't destroy nothing ... and can't even prove its existence ... as it amounts to nun/none or some other metaphor! Metaphor: a parallel word? Some believe there are no parallels ...

Sure is interesting unravelling the layers like an onion ... or a Jac Obie 'n ladder ... one step at a time dear ...
 
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I remind all of you that I have a pretty high christology - and still (having actually seen Superstar) I would agree with others here that Superstar doesn't mock Jesus as much as it presents a story that's very heavy on the humanity of Jesus as opposed to the divinity of Jesus. I have no problem with that. Jesus' two natures must be seen in balance, and too often the church has tilted the balance too far in the direction of Jesus' divinity. So there's nothing wrong with a story that levels things a bit by tilting the balance perhaps too far in the other direction. Personally, I wouldn't want to stay where Superstar takes me, but I don't see it as "mocking" Jesus, unless we believe that Jesus' humanity was a mere charade - along the lines of some types of gnostic belief.
 
Gnostic ... an old traditional meaning of this word was once for unknown curiosities ... like things beyond mortals ... mortality is thus an experience ... also once meaning empiric! There are those not the least interested in what is beyond them ...
 
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