Is Ontario headed for another Wynne win?
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revsdd
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The Republicans had 12 presidential debates leading up to the 2016 election and 7 of them were so-called staggered debates. The big one (prime time) between those considered "serious" candidates like Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Ben Carson, John Kasich, Marco Rubio and Jeb Bush, and the secondary one with people like Carley Fiorina, Bobby Jindal, Lindsey Graham, Rick Santorum and George Pataki. As the campaign went on there was some movement of some candidates between the primary and secondary debates as the polls shifted. Cruz, Kasich and Rubio were in every single one of the primary debates. (Trump skipped one.)
Step up to the plate and join the party. You'll be guaranteed the nomination.Oh, right, Korea. Forgot that only Canadian senators get away with representing their constituencies while sojourning in other countries.
Joined the party. As you say though, it'd be pointless for me to run as a candidate. This riding is most likely to go Conservative.
I would prefer to see less leaders' debates and many more ministers' debate. I know ministers are chosen after the election and their nomination depends on a lot of very profound considerations like their gender and the place they are from (competence comes third), but I would love to see a debate between potential ministers of Finances from the Conservatives, Liberals and NDP, another one between potential ministers of Education and another one between potential ministers of Health. That would put less emphasis on the leader and more on the team.
revjohn
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ONPC Leader Doug Ford claimed, this weekend, that we would be hearing a lot of desperate lies.
It was unclear if that was in relation to reporters asking about his criticism of a group home for individuals on the Autism Spectrum of Disorders or his denial of doing the same.
If only there was tape . . .
Not that it would make one wit of difference to Ford's supporters and partisan ONPC voters.
I suspect bashing such as this is part of his "charm."
It was unclear if that was in relation to reporters asking about his criticism of a group home for individuals on the Autism Spectrum of Disorders or his denial of doing the same.
If only there was tape . . .
Not that it would make one wit of difference to Ford's supporters and partisan ONPC voters.
I suspect bashing such as this is part of his "charm."
Mendalla
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Never happen. No leader is going to commit to a cabinet, even a possible one, that early in the game. It's a nice idea, it just doesn't fit with how politics are done.
Alternatives that might work (but probably not):
Have ministers from the last parliament debate their opposition critics from the last parliament. Of course, this only works if the relevant individuals are running for re-election. If they are retiring from politics (e.g. Deb Matthews, my MPP, who has held several portfolios over the McGuinty and Wynne governments), then they have no reason to participate.
Ask each leader to nominate a candidate to speak for the party on a particular portfolio but only as a campaign spokesperson. There would be no commitment that that person would actually hold that portfolio in a cabinet, though, only that they will authorized to act as an expert on that part of their party's platform. But someone like Ford who likes to be the focus of attention and control the message is unlikely to go for this or will just nominate himself.
I'm a member of the PPP but we don't have a candidate in my riding.
Then I was going to vote NDP, because I feel that in good conscience I cannot vote for either the party of Premier Wynne or that of Doug Ford.
Mendalla
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No candidate listed could just mean they haven't completed their nomination process yet. Given that the election hasn't actually been formally called yet (in spite of all the campaigning going on), that may change. I believe one of the NDP riding associations here in London still hasn't nominated (or did so after the last story I saw on them).
BetteTheRed
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Depends on how well your riding associations have their s**t together. We're finding considerable uneven-ness as we prep for our all candidates debate, and the PC Party is in the worst mess. Tried to invite our PC Party candidate via his riding association president, only to hear that said individual had quit in late March and didn't know and didn't care who his successor would be.
revsdd
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I suspect the PCs have some issues because of the Patrick Brown fiasco. I'm sure there were some nominated candidates who were loyal to Brown who quit and I understand that some nominations were scrapped because of supposed interference by Brown to get his people nominated. Some may have quit because of distaste for Ford. Changing leaders literally weeks before an election campaign starts is a challenge.
In my riding our PC incumbent was nominated some time ago, but neither the Liberals nor NDP have candidates yet.
There are people that cannot and do not believe in departure and dissociation ... broken people thus being ignored ... as the Guilder's Ruse ... hard to get into one of these groups ...
To avoid being part of it an individual (one, I, or eL) must be an outlier like the magi crew ... with considerable imagination ... not well received by those of SET conditions ...
To avoid being part of it an individual (one, I, or eL) must be an outlier like the magi crew ... with considerable imagination ... not well received by those of SET conditions ...
There typically are two reasons why there isn't a candidate in a riding yet.
1. The party is disorganized or the local association had a feud not long ago.
2. The party has a star candidate to plug in but the person either doesn't want or can't commit publicly yet.
1. The party is disorganized or the local association had a feud not long ago.
2. The party has a star candidate to plug in but the person either doesn't want or can't commit publicly yet.
Mendalla
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Not necessarily at this point. There hasn't actually been an election called yet, we just know there is one coming due to the fixed date legislation the Libs brought in. So it isn't really surprising that all nominations aren't finished. We had a couple decided in the riding next to mine this past week.
There may be some more discontent brewing in the PC ranks. Ford opted to appoint 20 candidates this weekend rather than letting the nomination votes in those ridings play out. Standard operating procedure for parties these days but I know he's pissed off people in London West where he picked a local media personality who just tossed his hat in the ring 10 days ago over a Tory stalwart who's been building his campaign for two years. Given the problems they had under Brown with nomination irregularities, you'd think Ford would tread carefully but, being a Ford, that may be too much to ask.
Mendalla
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For those who aren't sure what John and chansen are on about:
Tanya Granic Allen no longer an Ontario PC party candidate after 'irresponsible' comments, Doug Ford says | CBC News
Tanya Granic Allen no longer an Ontario PC party candidate after 'irresponsible' comments, Doug Ford says | CBC News