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Stop being an ignoramus.
In Latin, "ignoramus" literally means "we do not know."

The first time we see "ignoramus" pop up in English was around the late 1500s. Back then, it was used in the legal system. If a jury didn't think there was enough evidence to charge someone with a crime, they would write "ignoramus" on the paperwork. Basically, they were saying, "We don't know if this person did anything wrong!"
 
Nope. But he wouldn’t be there acting in his own personal interest, erratically and harmfully.

He’s a loose cannon. He’s an extreme narcissist. He’s a different kind of dangerous. He’s lawless and moving toward totalitarianism. Your arguments that he’s the same are fricken ridiculous.
And you think JD Vance, his replacement by constitutional fiat, is an improvement? Read up on Opus Dei, the Catholic movement he follows. Look at some of his past statements and actions. In many ways, he's potentially more dangerous than Trump specifically because he won't be erratic. Trump's erratic lurching from statement to statement and issue to issue keeps him from doing damage in some areas. The solution to Trump is getting the GOP out of power, not just getting rid of Trump. Trump dying would just set the stage for power games of another kind.
 
And you think JD Vance, his replacement by constitutional fiat, is an improvement? Read up on Opus Dei, the Catholic movement he follows. Look at some of his past statements and actions. In many ways, he's potentially more dangerous than Trump specifically because he won't be erratic. Trump's erratic lurching from statement to statement and issue to issue keeps him from doing damage in some areas. The solution to Trump is getting the GOP out of power, not just getting rid of Trump. Trump dying would just set the stage for power games of another kind.
Personally I don't think Vance has a following, he is not liked by many and gets bood often, he doesn't possess the same qualities as Trump.....which are not good qualities, IMO, but he has loyal followers that admire his brazen corruption. He may be just as dangerous but I don't believe he could pull off even a quarter of what Trump gets away with.
 
Personally I don't think Vance has a following, he is not liked by many and gets bood often, he doesn't possess the same qualities as Trump.....which are not good qualities, IMO, but he has loyal followers that admire his brazen corruption. He may be just as dangerous but I don't believe he could pull off even a quarter of what Trump gets away with.
I'm not sure it matters since he'll be a one termer at most. The GOP will keep him as a figurehead until the next election, then field someone else as their candidate. In the meantime, the so-cons like Focus on Family get a President and Congress focussed on their agenda.
 
And you think JD Vance, his replacement by constitutional fiat, is an improvement? Read up on Opus Dei, the Catholic movement he follows. Look at some of his past statements and actions. In many ways, he's potentially more dangerous than Trump specifically because he won't be erratic. Trump's erratic lurching from statement to statement and issue to issue keeps him from doing damage in some areas. The solution to Trump is getting the GOP out of power, not just getting rid of Trump. Trump dying would just set the stage for power games of another kind.
I agree. I think I mentioned concern about Vance already. The problem is, because of Trump’s totalitarian tendencies and impulsiveness there’s worry that elections won’t happen. It’s a dangerous pairing.

My argument to WhyCzar is that, no, not all leaders are the same, and Trump’s personality is a different kind of animal - that needs to be acknowledged. It’s not business as usual. Trump is more like Gaddafi than he is like Carney, or even like any of the past US presidents in 100 years.
 
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And you think JD Vance, his replacement by constitutional fiat, is an improvement? Read up on Opus Dei, the Catholic movement he follows. Look at some of his past statements and actions. In many ways, he's potentially more dangerous than Trump specifically because he won't be erratic. Trump's erratic lurching from statement to statement and issue to issue keeps him from doing damage in some areas. The solution to Trump is getting the GOP out of power, not just getting rid of Trump. Trump dying would just set the stage for power games of another kind.
That’s some f’d up stuff. Wasn’t Opus Dei a theme in the Da Vinci Code? Creepy. Vance is creepy.
 
Your arguments that he’s the same are fricken ridiculous.
You can't judge a book by it's cover.

Here is some fricken context for you to put your own ridiculous spin on.

Verified Links for Research on Carney's "Control" Policies​

These are pulled from official government sites, UN documents, and public records as of October 23, 2025.

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Digital ID tied to AI risk scoring (AIDA)Artificial Intelligence and Data Act (AIDA) – Bill C-27, Part 2Parliament of Canada – Bill C-27 (Search for "Artificial Intelligence and Data Act" on the page for full text.)
Biometric ID mandatory by 2028Canada Digital Identity Framework (2025 Update) – Innovation, Science and Economic Development CanadaISED Canada – Digital Identity Program (Includes Pan-Canadian Trust Framework details; see "Implementation Timeline" section.)
Speech violations linked to digital access (C-63)Online Harms Act – Bill C-63, Section 12(3)Justice Canada – Bill C-63 (Full bill text; note revival in June 2025 despite prorogation—check amendments.)
$2B AI Compute Strategy (Brookfield contracts)Public Services and Procurement Canada – Tender #WS4456789001Buyandsell.gc.ca – Search “Brookfield AI” (Use the search bar for tender details; related to real property/AI infrastructure contracts.)
UN Global Digital Compact signed quietlyUN Pact for the Future – Annex II, Paragraph 44
No public consultation on digital ID rolloutHouse of Commons Hansard – June 12, 2025 (Debate on Bill C-27)OurCommons.ca – Search “AIDA consultation June 2025” (Closest match: June 16, 2025 Hansard; use site search for exact date—debate highlights limited input.)
First Nations excluded from megaproject talksAssembly of First Nations – Resolution 45/2025 (Search for "Resolution 45/2025" or "megaprojects consultation"—focus on 2025 annual resolutions.)
68% self-censorship due to C-63C.D. Howe Institute – Digital Governance Report, Oct 2025CDHowe.org – Publications (Filter for "Digital Governance Report October 2025"—includes self-censorship stats from surveys.)
AIDA risk engine source code classifiedAccess to Information Request – A-2025-00187 (Innovation Canada)ATIP Online – File Request (Search or file for A-2025-00187; response confirms classification under national security exemptions.)

 
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130,296 views Oct 22, 2025 The Chris Hedges Report

Whitney Webb traces the Thielverse’s rise and the construction of the bipartisan modern surveillance state that Trump and his benefactors are deploying against dissidents and immigrants today.

 
You can't judge a book by it's cover.

Here is some fricken context for you to put your own ridiculous spin on.

Verified Links for Research on Carney's "Control" Policies​

These are pulled from official government sites, UN documents, and public records as of October 23, 2025.

ClaimSourceLink / Access Instructions
Digital ID tied to AI risk scoring (AIDA)Artificial Intelligence and Data Act (AIDA) – Bill C-27, Part 2Parliament of Canada – Bill C-27 (Search for "Artificial Intelligence and Data Act" on the page for full text.)
Biometric ID mandatory by 2028Canada Digital Identity Framework (2025 Update) – Innovation, Science and Economic Development CanadaISED Canada – Digital Identity Program (Includes Pan-Canadian Trust Framework details; see "Implementation Timeline" section.)
Speech violations linked to digital access (C-63)Online Harms Act – Bill C-63, Section 12(3)Justice Canada – Bill C-63 (Full bill text; note revival in June 2025 despite prorogation—check amendments.)
$2B AI Compute Strategy (Brookfield contracts)Public Services and Procurement Canada – Tender #WS4456789001Buyandsell.gc.ca – Search “Brookfield AI” (Use the search bar for tender details; related to real property/AI infrastructure contracts.)
UN Global Digital Compact signed quietlyUN Pact for the Future – Annex II, Paragraph 44
No public consultation on digital ID rolloutHouse of Commons Hansard – June 12, 2025 (Debate on Bill C-27)OurCommons.ca – Search “AIDA consultation June 2025” (Closest match: June 16, 2025 Hansard; use site search for exact date—debate highlights limited input.)
First Nations excluded from megaproject talksAssembly of First Nations – Resolution 45/2025(Search for "Resolution 45/2025" or "megaprojects consultation"—focus on 2025 annual resolutions.)
68% self-censorship due to C-63C.D. Howe Institute – Digital Governance Report, Oct 2025CDHowe.org – Publications (Filter for "Digital Governance Report October 2025"—includes self-censorship stats from surveys.)
AIDA risk engine source code classifiedAccess to Information Request – A-2025-00187 (Innovation Canada)ATIP Online – File Request (Search or file for A-2025-00187; response confirms classification under national security exemptions.)

Those things deserve scrutiny but Trump is an erratic madman. It’s different! He has no cover, no filter, no shame, no dependability, no civility - he’s just a megalomaniac. It’s plain to see, there’s no cover and he could care less, and he’s most definitely a more dangerous person. It would be nice to be wrong about that but it’s too obvious. He’s a huckster and he has no humility about it. He enjoys it. He has no respect for the office he holds or half the people he serves. He expects his subjects to serve him - his ego, his ambitions. That is a stark difference.

Carney is not trying to pull off digital policy in a vacuum - the whole world’s already moving that way. At least it’s properly filed information. He’s not saying one thing then doing the exact opposite a few days later and keeping everybody on eggshells. He’s trying to negotiate with the US and updating us. He’s not reaching campaigned on goals with the US yet because Trump has proven to be difficult with every attempt -which is different from lying about the goals.
 
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It would be nice to be wrong about that but it’s too obvious.
Trump is not a lone wolf no matter how much you dislike his stage presence the show will go on with or without him. Unless the people united actually find a way to change the script. So far it seems that the bread and circuses distractions are paving the way for the technofascists to rule the conveniently dazed.
 
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Trump is not a lone wolf no matter how much you dislike his stage presence the show will go on with or without him. Unless the people united actually find a way to change the script. So far it seems that the bread and circuses distractions are paving the way for the technofascists to rule the conveniently dazed.
It’s more than bread and circuses. The ICE raids and deportations, some cases, of people who’ve lived all or nearly their lives in the US, have grown up there. Some being deported to places they’ve never been and aren’t even from. The total dismantling of programs to give the disadvantaged a leg up, the attack on free speech to those actually trying to speak truth to power instead of using their free speech rights mostly to demean minorities. Real peoples’ lives and whole communiies are harmed by that. It’s not a matter of ignoring that and concerning ourselves only with technofascism. It’s all of it.

I think if equality was a prioritized value, technofascism or any kind of fascism wouldn’t be a worry and technology could continue to be used for good purpose. And systemic equality through human rights endeavours and good policy is the only way to practically achieve that. We don’t live in that kind of world right now.
 
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We don’t live in that kind of world right now.
No we live in the kind of world where people that have probably never even thought of the east wing White House before are propagandized into being emotionally outraged at renovations to it's structure as usually happens with each new POTUS.

I am not defending Trump. As many here have already noted he just a symptom of the deeper divide.

My closest neighbor is a refugee from Haiti. It never ceases to amaze him how in North America everyone seems to be lamenting about how oppressed they are while being totally oblivious to what oppression actually looks like.

He and I talk a bit of politics when we have the chance. He sees no difference between the government and cartels in Haiti cooperating with each other to keep the general population divided and subjugated than the government and 'cartels' doing the same in North America - finding North American elite alliances slightly more 'polite' but far less transparent.

Long story short here is a bit of his story in his own words:

In 2010, my life changed forever when a devastating earthquake struck Haiti. Over 300,000 lives were lost in less than a minute, and where I was, around 500 students and professors were buried alive. Miraculously, I walked out with nothing but dust on my face. My family lost everything, and we slept on the streets.

I had my life planned out: I was pursuing my degree in auto mechanics, studying business management, and dreaming of running the biggest mechanic shop in Haiti.

One of the darkest parts of my past was tied to voodoo, a spiritual force that sought to enslave and control. It was in these formative years that I began my battle with spiritual darkness.

After several years, my eldest brother became deathly ill. Instead of taking him to the hospital, my mother took him to Jacmel to see a voodoo priest, a man who claimed he could heal him by removing a spell. Jacmel is a port town in southern Haiti where my extended family lived. In Haiti, when someone falls ill, the first thought that crosses their mind is that they’ve been cursed, and the only solution is to find a powerful voodoo priest who can remove the curse.

The voodoo priest agreed to help my brother—but only if my mother became one of his concubines. Desperate, my mother agreed. As the youngest in the family, I accompanied her everywhere, and that’s when I started to learn the ways of voodoo. I was taught how to call on spirits, what offerings to give, and the rituals required to invoke and appease them. I was being groomed to become a voodoo priest myself.

My older sister came to rescue me from this spiritual bondage. She took me in and brought me to Port-au-Prince, sparing me from this dark fate.

In 2011, after surviving the massive earthquake in Haiti, I came to North America to pursue a Bachelor of Biblical Studies. It was there, in the land of relative peace and comfort, that I realized spiritual warfare wasn’t just something I had encountered in Haiti—it was real, and it was alive, even in the West. Many North Americans lived under the illusion that spiritual warfare was a distant concern, that it was something “out there” and not something that needed to be addressed in their everyday lives. But I had witnessed its power firsthand, and I knew the truth: spiritual warfare is not bound by geography or culture—it’s a universal battle.

I do not live in a fantasy bubble and neither do I know what I do not know.

What I think I know is that there is a technocracy rising and I am not on the high end of the carbon credit list.
 
No we live in the kind of world where people that have probably never even thought of the east wing White House before are propagandized into being emotionally outraged at renovations to it's structure as usually happens with each new POTUS.

I am not defending Trump. As many here have already noted he just a symptom of the deeper divide.

My closest neighbor is a refugee from Haiti. It never ceases to amaze him how in North America everyone seems to be lamenting about how oppressed they are while being totally oblivious to what oppression actually looks like.

He and I talk a bit of politics when we have the chance. He sees no difference between the government and cartels in Haiti cooperating with each other to keep the general population divided and subjugated than the government and 'cartels' doing the same in North America - finding North American elite alliances slightly more 'polite' but far less transparent.

Long story short here is a bit of his story in his own words:



I do not live in a fantasy bubble and neither do I know what I do not know.

What I think I know is that there is a technocracy rising and I am not on the high end of the carbon credit list.
There’s been a technocracy for years, decades, I suppose. Henry Ford was a technocrat, in his own way. NASA is a technocratic government entity. The whole MIC is technocratic.
 
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Oh not at all, Rita. To be free and clear of all accountability, you just have to create a new identity for yourself. Then you tell everyone you're not the person they were upset with, no matter the obvious matches in timing, beliefs, positions and geographic location.

Subterfuge, Rita. That's what it takes to avoid accountability. Not even good subterfuge. You should try it some time. I bet you'd be just talented enough to pull it off.

Its like a Beta person ... somewhat below the visual horizon ... some blinding prerequisite! Some say shallow ... and sing it out ...
 
In Latin, "ignoramus" literally means "we do not know."

The first time we see "ignoramus" pop up in English was around the late 1500s. Back then, it was used in the legal system. If a jury didn't think there was enough evidence to charge someone with a crime, they would write "ignoramus" on the paperwork. Basically, they were saying, "We don't know if this person did anything wrong!"

The are folk that believe we know what we cannot because of all that is buried in the poles. Thus the digs ...
 
Man must Dais because he is becoming antiquated ... it is how Dai thing goes ... just like the night ... mysteriously as I'm told there is nothing to darkness ... and there it was!

I believe the entire thing is polar ... even within the edifice ... one end against the other!

Thus Butte deads ...
 
Can a person that claims to know everything best, avoid croaking by denying how to do it?

He incarnates as something that is greatest at exclusion, denial and elimination and thus Pied Contestations ... there that is well disposed of ...

So many questions that we are directed to avoid asking ... for it could cause distress up there ...
 
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