dreamerman
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Mmm sacrilicious. I think Homer ate that doughnut and it cost him his soul.
How do you explain the Trinity to kids?
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God as a projection is extensive ... and thus far out although we can see the surface of it as yet dark ... until the fall out ... with us as subjective form ,,, or forming the projectile that God ejected as something coming between two or ménage a trios if you consider the aboriginal third and what came forth ... before the penne got scratching in the report in ...
Ever notice that falling sensation when going to sleep ... an entry into abstract realms that always scared the mortal gods of actions ... not proper nouns but thick with verbosity ... so the brutii wouldn't know! In the collective soul ... thus this is mysterious or indicative of what we don't know ... insulting to those that say they know everything ... as a proper noun!
Could this be a funny, or odd literary device as compared to the literal? Imposed truth vs. myth?
The BS, MS and PHD forms that are fired at us are odd ... if overly institutionalized ... a bit around the bend ... or in Anglo-Saxon myth all wend to 'elle! Multi-facetiae-Sous? Thus the lesser power of understanding ...
Ever notice that falling sensation when going to sleep ... an entry into abstract realms that always scared the mortal gods of actions ... not proper nouns but thick with verbosity ... so the brutii wouldn't know! In the collective soul ... thus this is mysterious or indicative of what we don't know ... insulting to those that say they know everything ... as a proper noun!
Could this be a funny, or odd literary device as compared to the literal? Imposed truth vs. myth?
The BS, MS and PHD forms that are fired at us are odd ... if overly institutionalized ... a bit around the bend ... or in Anglo-Saxon myth all wend to 'elle! Multi-facetiae-Sous? Thus the lesser power of understanding ...
While in the realm of the instituted passions, wiles and desires is understanding a conflict that lessens the impact of the bite of emotional content? Or so the emotional suggest ... that we should bite IT ... and thus the shark bite ... right out of aboriginal intuit!
An the soul was Aaron or Ayres as aired out by dem udder ovite as expressed in divine breast of IT ... split brain phenomena?
Such things can turn heads ...
crazyheart
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Let me get this straight - what we are trying to teach to kids.
God is the Father and God impregnated Mary who was a young virgin woman. She became
pregnant and Jesus was born, Then God decided to kill God;s son on the cross.
But before this happened, Jesus 'cousin John baptised God's son and the Holy spirit in the form
of a dove rested on Jesus
I find this hard to believe and no matter how you spin it children would see this as a fairy
story, I think.
So I think that this is one of the stories that children are not told in Church School.
God is the Father and God impregnated Mary who was a young virgin woman. She became
pregnant and Jesus was born, Then God decided to kill God;s son on the cross.
But before this happened, Jesus 'cousin John baptised God's son and the Holy spirit in the form
of a dove rested on Jesus
I find this hard to believe and no matter how you spin it children would see this as a fairy
story, I think.
So I think that this is one of the stories that children are not told in Church School.
Hermann
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I have to go back to what I said before. I think the best way to explain the Trinity to kids is in terms of diametric opposites: Diametric opposites necessitate each other, what links them is the universal creative force, and the three together constitute one inseparable whole.
May the Force be with you!
May the Force be with you!
revjohn
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crazyheart said:
God is the Father. Mary did become pregnant (which makes Mary the mother of God). The impregnation is atypical which makes Jesus atypical.
crazyheart said:
Maybe. Although it is probably more accurate to say God offers God's self. God does not do the actual killing. Although it would appear that long before Jesus is born there was a plan involving sacrifice in the works.
crazyheart said:
According to the narrative that was how John would know that he had found the one whose kingdom he was the herald of. What we do not know, because it apparently isn't necessary for scripture to say, is whether or not John was accustomed to seeing the Holy Spirit at all. Does the Holy Spirit appearing in the form of a dove make this particular appearing of the Spirit as a unique event because the Holy Spirit routinely did not show up or because the Spirit did show up in a unique form?
Why a dove? Why not a Lion? Or a Lamb?
crazyheart said:
Funny how children do not initially balk at fairy stories. They see a wonder in the various tales of a world that could be. Fortunately life beats that out of them quickly. Magic beans, hope, love and other nonsense who would believe any of that?
Why would anyone, scratch that, why should anyone believe that God cares for us, loves us and acts in our best interest?
crazyheart said:
Except that we tell the stories in Church school. Children are aware of Jesus birth, death and resurrection and we typically don't hide any of the faith details included in the narrative.
So it is the stories we tell and have heard again and again and again and again that our children hear.
The Trinity is less a story (much less part of the narrative of Scripture) and more of a faith statement made by folk who listened to the story and tried to make some sense of it. Which is what theology attempts to do and some theologies are felt to do a better job of it than others. Three distinct persons all being the very same God is highly nonsensical.
Three distinct persons is not a problem.
One God is not a problem.
Harmonizing those two tends to lead to problems because there appears to be a conflict. If there are three distinct persons why are there not three distict Gods? Because God is One. One what? One person? Nope three persons who are all equally God yet not one another.
Anyone who says they understand that likely doesn't.
Generally we aren't giving children doctine lessons at Sunday School. We are giving them snippets of text and applying those texts to broad ideas and themes.
If any Sunday School for small kids is getting into the distinctions between Homoiousios and Homoousion I'd eat somebody else's hat (because I don't tend to wear one).
Neo
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Science calls the trinity of forces: positive, negative and neutral.
Edit to add: we personify these very same forces as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, but they are the same. Only our point of view changes.
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Is that neutral or neural light?
And John is a'typical like that which a' Muses, or just like a'theology carried about by a'theists?
Perhaps this is something a'mentionable ... as when in = non = a and thus an ineffable myth?
Funny what you can do with the power of word ...
And John is a'typical like that which a' Muses, or just like a'theology carried about by a'theists?
Perhaps this is something a'mentionable ... as when in = non = a and thus an ineffable myth?
Funny what you can do with the power of word ...
revjohn
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Luce NDs said:
In some circumstances, yes, the atypical is amusing.
Luce NDS said:
Ummmmmm. How to answer honestly without opening the can of worms you have so gleefully tossed my way.
Some times, maybe.
Though to be fair I don't think atheology exists as a recognized word. At its plainest it would be an opposition to theology and I don't necessarily think that is something atheists can lay exclusive claim to. Certainly we have seen here at WC2 people of faith who have a strong aversion to theology, sensing that it belongs more to the realm of religion than it does spirituality.
Thus in stoic form, creativity in regard to God, the Word, is not acceptable to those stuck on the premise that all things are constant? Thus creativity diminishes ... this is what be Piscine John Milton off when he wrote Paradise Lost in regard to loss of literary creativity ... when the Star Chamber came out with laws that demand license for anyone to publish any thoughts that weren't licensed by the crown a forehand ... and the democratic voice is stifled as if by Reynolds Factor ... ir the Guis Fox metaphor of who would gain most it Parliament died? Henry VIII, other Stewarts or Regents!
The rational behind this is not obvious to common people as they have been directed not to know such high-handed things of low down Gods ... mortal types!
Which sounds very much like this:
http://m.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/608781/jewish/On-the-Meaning-of-Three.htm
"One symbolizes unity, agreement and simplicity...two symbolizes duality, tension, complexity...three symbolizes harmony that includes the synthesis of two opposites."
It also reminds me of the yin and yang (each side containing a bit of the other) and the circle they form together containing the whole.
"... focussed on the difference between virtue and vice"? Does that place a dualistic squeeze on literal pieces that we are faced to memorize in school as if they were the truth ... when in a deux/deuce of a stoic perception they were in error when there appears to be two sides to the myth for those that wandered off line ... the media? Mid Terre I "an" monograph? Some abstract may be required as an image on a Jaerd surface. Some say vessel as a sort of bote that may be a wormy immaterial presentation to those that are not literate ... and thus a carrier of info and intelligence that may be alien. If it is alien many immediately say it is without virtue and they don't wish to understand ... contrary to the biblical sensation ... but beware of the trickle sensation as it flows to the unconscious portion of the reasonable organ ... the klein you can speak to! Thus bottled intelligence or thoughts in a bottle lost on a vast unimaginable sea of unseen dreams ... invisible forces of chaos?
Did authorities make rules (gamma-tic) that bug us about what some verbalizations transmit ... and what they shouldn't as subtle in the transaction? Perhaps doing nothing and being silent in class is beta ... just accepting that the authorities believe me to be a numb chit! Bit classics on learning slow and shored up absorption of all the fecund matter (as some people feel that anything below the surface is just mire, dirt).
Consider powerful people's attitudes about rules on expenditures ... if there are no rules one does not have to face any restrictions or containment! Does this indicate that something is missing and in such people one could find nothing there ... of the insubstantial nature that could materially interfere with their wiles if they were suffering a'pocalypse on the unseen concern.
Then one would have to know that a'pocalypse is remotely related to awareness ... and various tryrants have said the common people shouldn't know this .. and thus the poc hole in space that is formed by tulips!
Who was it said if you can't see the dreams ... one cannot envision the invisible ... that hangs in the temple ... below the event horizon ... or where things happen imaginatively in an altruistic domain ... somewhere out of 'Eire. If the ' represents an 'h' space would this be heiry to some illiterates ... regarding the tongues of all men? Can the fallen facetiae of those collected here see phonetics? Hear, hear ... that faint sound rising from the book as a sign of a ghost's presence in the that rising from a'myth that's really something to observe!
Some people say the psyche does not exist, and thus as nothing it is ignored much to the detriment of the collective ... mind you many ignore this power as something that cannot be seen ... like sunlight passing over the polar areas during the a'dept of a winter's night ... just for kohl observers, this can be aesthetic.
Being a mind of such type is disbelieved as nothing ... could it pipe up from nowhere and bite the butte of those above as it attempted the vocation of something right out of a dark occasional mental state ... an abstraction? Primal Rule: don't say anything in the presence of stone institutions ... they rarely respond except in echoes ... that may relate to egos, but I am told I am not to know such things as a commoner!
Can you connect machian philosophy to Nichomachian Ethics, and Machiavellian Satire without understanding the difference in moral pools and upstanding ethics ... as a classic tree of logi? Therefore piles of word chits (bits) and the evolution of men of letters who speak volumes of creative word ... basically uneard by those believing nothing, living nowhere and autonomously moving no how, even though they didn't understand their activity ... a face attached as the masques of a god of emotions that is wide spread. Any body that has a thought to offer is put down with force ... thus the term oppressed ... causes great compulsive obsessive disorders in some as a chaotic outburst over the behaviour of sena'chira ... insensitive action about fiery Raes ... in the light of what wasn't understood in heir hoes essences ... hosiers in the Capital, draining off resources?
It is not brain drain if there wasn't anything there to begin wit ...
Did authorities make rules (gamma-tic) that bug us about what some verbalizations transmit ... and what they shouldn't as subtle in the transaction? Perhaps doing nothing and being silent in class is beta ... just accepting that the authorities believe me to be a numb chit! Bit classics on learning slow and shored up absorption of all the fecund matter (as some people feel that anything below the surface is just mire, dirt).
Consider powerful people's attitudes about rules on expenditures ... if there are no rules one does not have to face any restrictions or containment! Does this indicate that something is missing and in such people one could find nothing there ... of the insubstantial nature that could materially interfere with their wiles if they were suffering a'pocalypse on the unseen concern.
Then one would have to know that a'pocalypse is remotely related to awareness ... and various tryrants have said the common people shouldn't know this .. and thus the poc hole in space that is formed by tulips!
Who was it said if you can't see the dreams ... one cannot envision the invisible ... that hangs in the temple ... below the event horizon ... or where things happen imaginatively in an altruistic domain ... somewhere out of 'Eire. If the ' represents an 'h' space would this be heiry to some illiterates ... regarding the tongues of all men? Can the fallen facetiae of those collected here see phonetics? Hear, hear ... that faint sound rising from the book as a sign of a ghost's presence in the that rising from a'myth that's really something to observe!
Some people say the psyche does not exist, and thus as nothing it is ignored much to the detriment of the collective ... mind you many ignore this power as something that cannot be seen ... like sunlight passing over the polar areas during the a'dept of a winter's night ... just for kohl observers, this can be aesthetic.
Being a mind of such type is disbelieved as nothing ... could it pipe up from nowhere and bite the butte of those above as it attempted the vocation of something right out of a dark occasional mental state ... an abstraction? Primal Rule: don't say anything in the presence of stone institutions ... they rarely respond except in echoes ... that may relate to egos, but I am told I am not to know such things as a commoner!
Can you connect machian philosophy to Nichomachian Ethics, and Machiavellian Satire without understanding the difference in moral pools and upstanding ethics ... as a classic tree of logi? Therefore piles of word chits (bits) and the evolution of men of letters who speak volumes of creative word ... basically uneard by those believing nothing, living nowhere and autonomously moving no how, even though they didn't understand their activity ... a face attached as the masques of a god of emotions that is wide spread. Any body that has a thought to offer is put down with force ... thus the term oppressed ... causes great compulsive obsessive disorders in some as a chaotic outburst over the behaviour of sena'chira ... insensitive action about fiery Raes ... in the light of what wasn't understood in heir hoes essences ... hosiers in the Capital, draining off resources?
It is not brain drain if there wasn't anything there to begin wit ...
The idea of Trinity does not sit well with children because there are flaws in any explanation - it is not logical - and it forces children to think. This is why God is the big star in Judaism, Jesus is the big leading role in Christianity, and Mohammed is the leading role in Islam. The Trinity concept is very difficult to understand.