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Mendalla
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You're hardly the first. We have more than a few UUs who started out that way (i.e. Christians who asked questions like that and weren't happy with the conventional Christian answers). Not to say you're on the road to hel...er...UU'ism or anything. I'm sure there are many Christians who've explored those questions and remained Christian.
The picture is of TV dads. Cliff Huxtable was a great TV dad. Context is everything.
unsafe
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Waterfall ------your quote ------Okay just trying to reconcile Gods benevolence with his killing sprees not being evil.
God says this -----
Isaiah 5:20-21Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
20 Look at those people! They say good is bad and bad is good. They think light is dark and dark is light. They think sour is sweet and sweet is sour.
21 They think they are so smart. They think they are very intelligent.
God says this -----
Isaiah 5:20-21Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
20 Look at those people! They say good is bad and bad is good. They think light is dark and dark is light. They think sour is sweet and sweet is sour.
21 They think they are so smart. They think they are very intelligent.
chansen
Had a point all along
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Happy mental gymnastics.
According to Killing spree definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary - a "killing spree" is, "a series of murders that are committed."
God does not murder, nor will he ever..
Waterfall ------your quote ------Okay just trying to reconcile Gods benevolence with his killing sprees not being evil.
God says this -----
Isaiah 5:20-21Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
20 Look at those people! They say good is bad and bad is good. They think light is dark and dark is light. They think sour is sweet and sweet is sour.
21 They think they are so smart. They think they are very intelligent.
Not sure what you're saying here unsafe. I don't think I'm calling evil good or vice versa.
Delightful Life
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This.
I think this is one of the chasms between Conservative theology and Progressive theology?
Its not native to me, but I have enjoyed, in this case, slowly being able to peek outside another of my BSs.
Ty to waterfall for continuing to ask questions and ty to revjohn for being able to communicate so well.
This.
I think this is one of the chasms between Conservative theology and Progressive theology?
Its not native to me, but I have enjoyed, in this case, slowly being able to peek outside another of my BSs.
Ty to waterfall for continuing to ask questions and ty to revjohn for being able to communicate so well.
I don't see the chasm. I'm in agreement with John here.
Delightful Life
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"Darling?" What I'm asking is - what chasm? John is a progressive Christian, I'm a conservative one, but we agree here.
Delightful Life
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i see revjohn as a Conservative. Based only on WC of course; never met him in rl.
As for you, unless you've changed personality, you aren't Jae. You give yourself away with your different writing style. Who else again has access to Jae's account?
Back to regularly scheduled theological discursions...
We see things differently then. He is a minister in the United Church of Canada.
GeoFee
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Hi,
The story of creation ends with God pronouncing all to be very good. The story of humanity estranged by choice from the all good creation of God begins with a decision to choose the knowledge of good and evil. The unified whole changed to a divided whole. The rest is history.
George
The story of creation ends with God pronouncing all to be very good. The story of humanity estranged by choice from the all good creation of God begins with a decision to choose the knowledge of good and evil. The unified whole changed to a divided whole. The rest is history.
George
revjohn
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Jae said:
I am a Reformed Christian. Only progressive if one considers the shift from Roman Catholicism.
With respect to soteriology I am most likely the most conservative member on WC2 and WonderCafe.ca before it.
Presuming one accepts saved by grace predates saved by human profession of faith.
If one "sees" me as progressive by virtue of the denomination I was called, by God, to serve one "sees" nothing but their own prejudice.
Those with an actual eye for theology pay attention to the substance of an argument.
What Christian here does not believe in salvation by grace John?
Why would the most-progressive Christian denomination in Canada hire a non-progressive Christian to lead its progressive Christian churches? It would be mad/self-defeating to do as such.
revjohn
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Jae said:
The same ones who insist the free gift of grace is devoid of salvific action until they accept it.
Jae said:
On what evidence would you claim that The United Church of Canada is "the most progressive?" On what evidence would you claim that The United Church of Canada is, all things considered, progressive? Has your understanding of "progressive" Christianity changed any since the last time you were involved in a discussion about it?
Who says grace begins with us? Haven't heard any Christian say.
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It's known to be.
revjohn said:
To start - Welcome to The United Church of Canada
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Can't recall the last time.
GeoFee
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Hi,
This represents one way of looking at things. It is not the only way.
The United Church of Canada is interested in dialogue and is resistant to monologue. John is welcomed and so is George. As well as all persons between and beyond.
This reminds me of Jesus. He gathered a diverse community inclusive of difference. Their unity did not consist in adherence to one doctrine. Rather, it consisted in the gracious gift of liberty expressed as responsibility before God and neighbour. The mandate of Isaiah pronounced as the purpose of the Holy Spirit by Jesus in the Nazareth synagogue.
From where I sit in the circle of concern this spiritual way was inverted to shape an institutional construct requiring consent to a clearly articulated doctrine. This was accomplished by the collusion of Constantine and a company of Christian bishops. Church and State were married and Christendom presented itself in history.
History will show the United Church to have been used by the Holy Spirit to reveal what follows where human agenda compromises the agenda of the Holy Spirit to serve an institutional agenda. A perennial problem in the community of faith from its earliest days.
No bird is able to fly with one wing. Two are required. Each animated by the one heart of the bird. Each dependent on the air by which those wings are made able to take flight.
Where no difference of opinion is permitted dogma seeks to trump grace in service to power; temple religion.
Rabbinic history reveals much for those seeking to understand and follow an itinerant rabbi named Jesus.
George
This represents one way of looking at things. It is not the only way.
The United Church of Canada is interested in dialogue and is resistant to monologue. John is welcomed and so is George. As well as all persons between and beyond.
This reminds me of Jesus. He gathered a diverse community inclusive of difference. Their unity did not consist in adherence to one doctrine. Rather, it consisted in the gracious gift of liberty expressed as responsibility before God and neighbour. The mandate of Isaiah pronounced as the purpose of the Holy Spirit by Jesus in the Nazareth synagogue.
From where I sit in the circle of concern this spiritual way was inverted to shape an institutional construct requiring consent to a clearly articulated doctrine. This was accomplished by the collusion of Constantine and a company of Christian bishops. Church and State were married and Christendom presented itself in history.
History will show the United Church to have been used by the Holy Spirit to reveal what follows where human agenda compromises the agenda of the Holy Spirit to serve an institutional agenda. A perennial problem in the community of faith from its earliest days.
No bird is able to fly with one wing. Two are required. Each animated by the one heart of the bird. Each dependent on the air by which those wings are made able to take flight.
Where no difference of opinion is permitted dogma seeks to trump grace in service to power; temple religion.
Rabbinic history reveals much for those seeking to understand and follow an itinerant rabbi named Jesus.
George
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revjohn
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Jae said:
If Grace is ineffective until we accept it the important thing is not who it starts with so much as who it ends with. Not that we haven't had this discussion many times over either. If I am not saved until I accept Grace then the giving pales in comparison to the accepting which puts humanity in the driver's seat.
God cannot save unless the individual permits it by accepting the generous offer of grace, otherwise God is a perpetually jilted suitor.
Jae said:
Compelling argument.
Jae said:
And that use of progressive is the same as the use of progressive in Progressive Christianity is it?
Jae said:
What makes progressive Christianity "progressive"?
Not surprising after reviewing the thread.