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Indigenous youth kill themselves in the north -- 'We matter a lot': Indigenous youth gather in Ottawa to tackle suicide crisis | CBC News
Indigenous women are murdered
a mosque is attacked in quebec by a madman
a plain crashes with 200 dead
syrian children die

a bus is hit, 16 die, multiple horrific injuries. a terrible situation.
Is it because they were young white males that the fund is sitting at $10million.
Click here to support Funds for Humboldt Broncos organized by Humboldt Broncos Jr. Hockey Association Inc.


Why is that?
 
So, that makes them more worthy than any of the others?

Is that fundraiser both something for Canada to be proud of, but also something to be aware of what it says about us?
 
My sweetheart & I have been mumbling about this this week. What's with Crowdfunding? - when stories of need (or want) become marketing competitions and clickbait. I get that donating is one way to express sorrow or interest or whatever... but it would be healthier to have a moderated way, such as the Red Cross doing what it can for injured kids and bereaved families and care for distressed communities, and then other money available for other things.

And we can't get money for less exciting stories - I know someone burned out of a house recently, where the house insurance was left to lapse for money reasons and because the one in charge of that is an addict, and now they have no place to go, in Toronto, and injuries and pets. It isn't a pretty story with nice headlines, but how do we help people? Crowdfunding feels trendy but out of control.
 
Birthstone said:
What's with Crowdfunding?
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Crowdfunding didn't begin for this purpose (one-off charity), though. It was mostly a way for artists and craftspeople to build an audience for their product that bypassed traditional marketing channels. They could build a base of interested people willing to front them money so they had predictable funding for their work. Patreon, for instance, is widely used by indie musicians and video producers to allow their fans to fund their work directly and ensure they can afford to produce the next album or whatever.

Singer-songwriter Kina Grannis, for instance, has started her own record company supported by her fans through a Patreon. In return for their contributions, the patrons get exclusive access to online concerts (there's one this weekend), first access to new music, a credit on her next album (which is really what this is building towards), monthly online chats with Kina (though she's so active on social media, I think most fans have had a chance to "talk" to her, patrons or not), and so on.

And that, to me, is one of the best ideas to come along in the social media world. It's bringing back private patronage of the arts and culture but in a way that allows everyone, not just the wealthy, to get in on it. I'm even eyeing patronizing a couple of my favorite artists (including, needless to say, Kina).

However, it was likely inevitable that people would realize that it could be used to fundraise for "Charitable" purposes. It's far less expensive than setting up trusts and foundations and hiring marketing people and so on so one-off programs like this become very possible where they might have been more difficult in the past. And the crowdfunding company takes care of the grunt work of taking orders, building a database of pledges, and collecting the money. Whether it is right or not, I think it is here to stay. Banning it would like trigger a constitutional challenge on free speech or expression grounds. CRA could deny tax receipts to such programs but I imagine an ad hoc program like this isn't receiptable anyhow so it might not have any impact.

So, given that crowdfunding for charitable causes is likely here to stay, how does one make sure the money is used as intended? How to enforce audits of the distributions, expenses, etc. so that donors know where the money is going and recipients know they are getting all that they are entitled to? In the traditional charitable world, CRA does some of this and audits are often required by other laws and regulations so that the information on how the money is used gets out to the public. How does that happen with a Gofundme?
 
I tend to give directly (or not) to causes that come up in this way. I feel uncomfortable with helping to finance a site that takes money donated for people in difficult situations. In general I feel uncomfortable about people advertising their giving on social media - selfies with the flowers that person is giving - selfies with their baking they are giving - selfies wearing hockey shirts - selfies with their hockey stick. It seems to become a way to gather supportive comments for the giver. I am pretty 'private' about those types of things - and that leads to others assuming I don't give in any way. Strange really as my giving often exceeds what the other person gave (not that it is a competition!).

I am concerned about the control and distribution of this fund for the Bronco families, but have no meaningful say in it. I suspect there will be no public accounting as there would be if it was a registered charity. I suspect there will be space for arguments of perceived unfairness. Locally there is some annoyance being registered about the fund for Humboldt's emergency workers. People ask, not unreasonably, 'where is the funding for the emergency workers who actually handled the victims? Those people were from Nipawin, Tisdale and Melfort plus the people who happened to be on those highways at that time'. Counselling is happening anyway.
 
This was posted on the GoFundMe page - answering some of our questions re how the funds will be managed and disbursed. I noticed there are also a few smaller funds posted re supporting or memorializing specific team members.

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I have no problem that the money will be used.

Some may require round the clock care and housing changes.
Others may struggle carrying on
Others will need counselling.
 
Pinga said:
I have no problem that the money will be used.

Some may require round the clock care and housing changes.
Others may struggle carrying on
Others will need counselling.
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Agreed - the money will be allotted. Also agree with Kay, the opportunity for perception of unfairness is great. Such huge and sad divisions can occur over money, as we sometimes see when wills are processed.
 
Pinga said:
Indigenous youth kill themselves in the north -- 'We matter a lot': Indigenous youth gather in Ottawa to tackle suicide crisis | CBC News
Indigenous women are murdered
a mosque is attacked in quebec by a madman
a plain crashes with 200 dead
syrian children die

a bus is hit, 16 die, multiple horrific injuries. a terrible situation.
Is it because they were young white males that the fund is sitting at $10million.
Click here to support Funds for Humboldt Broncos organized by Humboldt Broncos Jr. Hockey Association Inc.


Why is that?
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optics and what is fair?
and time?
legislation of seat belt has saved how many?
invention of antibiotics has saved how many?
microloans and microcredit in Africa, where anyone can give an African a bit of money, is that fair and does it mitigate dead Syrian children?
invention of feminism in USA and spreading from there has helped how many?
these Cdn Aboriginals trying to help their countryfolk, what anxiety does that mitigate? should it?
i suggest if one wants to help then help somehow. esp if one is losing sleep over it (which says to me that it is truly important to a person)

we are in an unusual part of our species' history; we r becoming globally connected, with an almost instantaneous transmission of ideas etc. people who can be vastly different than one can view etc. the original online culture, that of no racism no sexism no isms is still alive and thriving. human beings being human.

good musings as usual, Pinga (y)
 
I think our society shows its feelings with its pocketbook. In the old days, we delivered meals, or sat with individuals who are grieving. Everyone attended funerals and wakes. Even our government says "I'm sorry" for various mistakes and tragedies with a financial pricetag attached. Do we pay a price and then breathe a sigh of relief and say, "Well, that's done."? I'm being cynical today...Sorry.
 
I also think this particular accident felt very personal to people. Canada is a big country with bad weather. We drive often long distances in cars and buses. We send our kids off on school trips or we send them away with teams of all types

And we all know the dangers on the roads. We have had accidents ourselves or near misss

So this just feels like it could have been anyone


The personal aspect is why Canadadians weren’t too concerned about refugees until the picture of a dead toddler on the beach with a Canadian connection
 
BetteTheRed said:
Inanna, gonna call you on something, please.



Uh, no. England, Mary Wollstonecraft, 1792, A Vindication of the Rights of Women.
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(y) brilliant choice
a case can be made for that, sure, esp if one believes in the Great Man theory of history (i wish more peeps would know aboot her seperate from her special book* aboot an abusive father and the dangers of ignorant masses)
which looks that history is made by individuals who invent etc then it spreads from there

it seems the term feminism was first made by a human male, Charles Fourier, in 1837. here he was writing aboot the direct link between social progress and wimminz status. he was imagining an agrarian utopia based on communal co ops called phalanxes.

there r various peoples throughout the ages that could b considered "feminist". Elanor of Acquitaine invented Chivalry to keep the knights in check.

There was even a female pharoah. Hashepsut. Who was almost completely obliterated from history.

And so forth.

I think that feminism's Stonewall or watershed moment was at the Women's Conference in Seneca Falls, NY in 1848. And it spread from there. America had the right environment for its spread.

And here we r today, with many different "schools" of feminism.

*there is even a case 2 b said for a volcano was responsible for the writing of both this book and Dracula, pop culture books that still influence and entertain us today. How a Volcanic Eruption Gave Birth to Frankenstein and Dracula
 
KayTheCurler said:
Thank you BetteTheRed - I would have posted that if I saw it first. She lived in the same part of London as I did. Several school teachers - feminists - told us about her. Also about the abbess at the local Abbey way back when who had precedence over the Bishop of the area.
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Londonium, yer very fortunate 2 have lived in that ancient habitation
Lots of history there
(and more " feminism" moments: the Romans were routed and Londinium burned 2 the ground by a woman)
 
Inannawhimsey said:
(y) brilliant choice
a case can be made for that, sure, esp if one believes in the Great Man theory of history (i wish more peeps would know aboot her seperate from her special book* aboot an abusive father and the dangers of ignorant masses)
which looks that history is made by individuals who invent etc then it spreads from there

it seems the term feminism was first made by a human male, Charles Fourier, in 1837. here he was writing aboot the direct link between social progress and wimminz status. he was imagining an agrarian utopia based on communal co ops called phalanxes.

there r various peoples throughout the ages that could b considered "feminist". Elanor of Acquitaine invented Chivalry to keep the knights in check.

There was even a female pharoah. Hashepsut. Who was almost completely obliterated from history.

And so forth.

I think that feminism's Stonewall or watershed moment was at the Women's Conference in Seneca Falls, NY in 1848. And it spread from there. America had the right environment for its spread.

And here we r today, with many different "schools" of feminism.

*there is even a case 2 b said for a volcano was responsible for the writing of both this book and Dracula, pop culture books that still influence and entertain us today. How a Volcanic Eruption Gave Birth to Frankenstein and Dracula
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Thus bleu ladies like Japheth ... being the ph and th were silent parts ... word can be ungodly difficult as a'god, or ag'don! Thus the hatch work in the Book of Kaye ... Ka 'lt?
 
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