Extrabiblical Evidence about Jesus in the First 2 Centuries

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Pr.Jae ----- your quote ------I'd like to speak to the question of us all being atheists at birth. I don't know if that's true. We're certainly not anti-theists. Personally, I was baptized within the first year of my life.

your the one that brought it up ------I just gave my opinion on your statement -----
 
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Pr.Jae ----- your quote ------I'd like to speak to the question of us all being atheists at birth. I don't know if that's true. We're certainly not anti-theists. Personally, I was baptized within the first year of my life.

your the one that brought it up ------I just gave my opinion on your statement -----
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You're right, I did - in response to another poster. Nevertheless, I feel if we are to discuss it further we should do so in a new thread.
 
Pr.Jae your quote -----I feel if we are to discuss it further we should do so in a new thread.

I respect your thought ----I said what I think about the subject -----done deal ------

Deuteronomy 1:39Amplified Bible, Classic Edition (AMPC)
39 Moreover, your little ones whom you said would become a prey, and your children who at this time cannot discern between good and evil, they shall enter Canaan, and to them I will give it and they shall possess it.
 
It is said that we are born innocent and with naïveté ... but there are those that argue we have genes of evil from our parents ... and thus must be tried and tested to see if the jinns are true or scroo dead in tua virtue US domain ...

The conflict goes on between the jinns and the circumstance we're in ... a foul environment? No one seems to be able to get round the facts ... and thus still we can't learn "nothing" about excess love in a vacuous state ... quite ethereal right? And the left with a remnant of chit ... the fecundity factor ... just bi chance ... there something will grow of come 've IT ...

Some sat fit as a kat named phitz ... or even Fina gynn!
 
Thus we learn from sinners on a stick ... something to digest as an incarnation of bursting out in flames ... human candles in the winds as rocket peoples ... and they're out of here as in OBI ... the second time B'OBI 'n right out inte urinal space ... a Piscine proposition ...

So don't walk under people incarcerated by other saints ... they don't know the differences in etiquette, or Edie quite the stirring ... that Called Ron should rest ... to a sloe simmer?
 
Waterfall said:
Science has always created powerful weapons in response to our enemies. Nuclear bombs were the icing on the cake.
Jesus has always known this wasn't the answer. "Do not repay evil with evil" and love one another.
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Did science come up with thy's word or did it appear as an icon of abstraction ... a dark perspective as Shadowed vision ... and thus brows on the ole goade ...
 
All work needs a rest ... distraction ... and thus dissociation of the emotions and intellectualisms as the gathered powers can giggle ... you should see what comes nextus ... the after death similitude? Close to metaphorical myth ... appearing as it isn't ... an incarnate sub-bean as Jac ... some say Jaqueline as w'a terre personification as damper to allow whetting of the male stones ...

That should sharpen them up after the donne Kahn ...
 
Thus the metaphysical Christ and disciples were baptised in life ... so heaven could learn from observing from afar ... a spin off of Exclusion Prin. just to see how it feels to people of heaven without any sense ... sort of Eire-less attributes ... like some of those film characters ... not Telly Savalus, silly, but that Precious, one from the deep pool in the mound? There are a large variety of rejects ...
 
Pavlos Maros said:
Atheist means "Without God". Are we with god, No! But we are open to anything, however should we impose our beliefs on our children?What would you be had you had no religious influences until you were say thirteen, (adolescence) then you would be able to decide for yourself. Whether religion were true or not. But sadly you weren't given that choice. It isn't a good thing to claim you were baptised in the first year.
That is inculcation/indoctrination of an innocent, totally wrong! It is almost child abuse.
You were forced to be a slave to the system.
Don't you think it would be much fairer to be given a choice?
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Pavlos Maros said:
Atheist means "Without God". Are we with god, No! But we are open to anything, however should we impose our beliefs on our children?What would you be had you had no religious influences until you were say thirteen, (adolescence) then you would be able to decide for yourself. Whether religion were true or not. But sadly you weren't given that choice. It isn't a good thing to claim you were baptised in the first year.
That is inculcation/indoctrination of an innocent, totally wrong! It is almost child abuse.
You were forced to be a slave to the system.
Don't you think it would be much fairer to be given a choice?
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You underestimate humans and their ability to choose at any age.
Were your parents religious Pavlos?
 
Pavlos Maros said:
I am of the opinion that children should be allowed to be children. Until they are fully able to comprehend what it is that is being asked of them, around the age of thirteen. Until then we should be only teaching them the basics reading, writing, and arithmetic.
Children are open books and easily lead. Why should your belief, groups, teams etc; Become what your child has if the child is not able to make a discernible choice. Isn't fairer to give them that choice when that are able to make such a choice? indoctrinating or inculcating isn't choice it's abuse. Children aren't born racist that become racist through their parents or groups.

We are never going to be able to stop all indoctrination. Patriotism is one that is hard to counter.
I am English, however I am human first and foremost. The world is my country. I hate no man, no matter what colour, country or creed. I will protect myself and my immediate family, but I will not take up arms for another man's god or pleasure. too much death comes from religion. Religion is an incitement to violence, a book professing the love of god for man should not contain words like kill, war, hate, etc.. I have a deep disdain for all religions but not for there adherents, they are merely indoctrinated victims.
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So what do you do about children growing up in homes where they are exposed to their parents beliefs. Where families bow heads and say a blessing before each meal? and put up a creche and talk about it through Advent? and talk about God as they plan their budget, and mention that they are seeking God's guidance when deciding what charities they will support or what government policies they will support or protest? How do you protect the children from their parents' beliefs?
 
Mystic said:
Well, Rev. John, I guess this tour of texts is needed:
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You really have a serious theory of mind issue. You simply cannot (apparently) comprehend that there are different sets of eyes looking at all that you look at and not seeing it exactly as you see it.

It isn't that I haven't toured these texts before so much as they do not communicate to me what they obviously communicate to you. I expect that this is also example of confirmation bias which has already made and appearance in this thread.

If you were any kind of tour guide at all you probably would do something more than point and say, "Isn't it obvious?" Because I do see what you are pointing at. I reject the premise which informs your interpretation. Which isn't me rejecting scripture as much as you will want to insist that is exactly the case.
 
Pavlos Maros said:
I am of the opinion that children should be allowed to be children. Until they are fully able to comprehend what it is that is being asked of them, around the age of thirteen. Until then we should be only teaching them the basics reading, writing, and arithmetic.
Children are open books and easily lead. Why should your belief, groups, teams etc; Become what your child has if the child is not able to make a discernible choice. Isn't fairer to give them that choice when that are able to make such a choice? indoctrinating or inculcating isn't choice it's abuse. Children aren't born racist that become racist through their parents or groups.
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Only reading, writing and arithmetic? So children shouldn't be taught things like history? Kids in kindergarten shouldn't be allowed to do finger painting - because that's really just a subtle way of indoctrinating them into appreciating art? Children shouldn't be taught to share or to be kind to other people and animals? Because teaching children to be kind would apparently be abusive toward the person who's being taught to be kind? So there's no room at all for teaching values? Because teaching values - any values - would be a form of indoctrination. Children shouldn't be taught to eat fruits and vegetables? After all, they can decide that for themselves later on. Teaching healthy eating is a form of abuse? We shouldn't teach them to recycle their garbage - because that's kind of like indoctrinating them into the belief that recycling is a good thing for the environment. It might actually encourage them to be concerned about the environment, and we shouldn't encourage them in any direction, because that's abusive. They can make their own decisions later on about whether the environment is worth saving. You mention teams. So I shouldn't be allowed to take my daughter to a Blue Jays game because she might grow up to be a Blue Jays fan - or at least a baseball fan - and that would be indoctrination? Another form of child abuse? I shouldn't expose my daughter to Mozart, because she might decide that she prefers Mozart to Justin Bieber? That would be indoctrination. And apparently abusive. Only reading, writing and arithmetic. No room for anything else in their lives. Bluntly, that's not allowing children to be children. That's turning them into machines.

I have no problem conversing with atheists. Some of my best friends are atheists and some of my best arguments are with atheists. But your position is extreme to the point of being simply absurd, and it's really not worthy of further comment.
 
History does not exist to those hardly residing in the present only ... a tough process to digest ... if you are one that can floe with it a bit ... morals along with ethics ... an enigmatic allowance for calm promise ?

Boundary layers or tiers of outlanders .. Ariman's fringes ... some say de bell did it ?
 
revsdd said:
So Jae's faith is dismissed because he had religious influence when he was growing up and was baptized as a child, and that was tantamount to child abuse and therefore he had no choice (which is an insane position since people who were raised with religious influence and baptized as children often choose not to be religious.)
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Yes because they never had a choice when they were being indoctrinated, so they follow their parents fantasies. As said they are victims to the cult their parents were and the parents parents etc.... the choice was removed from them as a children they know no better.
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On the other hand, my faith is dismissed because I had no religious influence growing up (depending on which member of my family you spoke to they were either indifferent to or hostile toward religion) and came to faith and made the choice to be baptized as an adult and so because of that you consider me to be "sad." Any subjective experience that leads to faith is dismissed on the basis that it defies logic.
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No one has dismissed your faith, I dismissed you claim to atheism. Unless you had a major trauma in you life there is no way you would go from rational to irrational. In fact I've dismissed no ones faith. I've merely said they were indoctrinated and are victims.
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The use of objective evidence that convinces a person to be a person of faith is dismissed because the objective evidence isn't convincing enough for you.
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No! it's simply not considered because there is none. But you are welcome to produce some if you can?
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You leave no point of discussion available to anyone unfortunately - not because your "logic" dismisses all avenues of conversation, but because of your personal bias. But you can't be biased because you make decisions only on the basis of logic. Subjective experience, emotion, feeling or intuition (or, to put it in legal terms, circumstantial evidence) have no role in your life whatsoever. In other words, you, sir, are a Vulcan - although even the Vulcans had spiritual beliefs. I've never particularly believed in extraterrestrial life, but you may convince me.
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You say that as if it is an insult. To look at thing with a rational logical eyes. is much better than the alternative, irrational and illogical.
Look how crazy the world is through following the irrational and illogical. witch burnings in Africa, beheading in Syria, blowing up abortion clinic, skyscrapers and music venues.
The most sane places on the planet are those that have less religion. I wonder why that is.
 
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revsdd said:
Only reading, writing and arithmetic? So children shouldn't be taught things like history? Kids in kindergarten shouldn't be allowed to do finger painting - because that's really just a subtle way of indoctrinating them into appreciating art?
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Now your just being childish!
resdd said:
your position is extreme to the point of being simply absurd, and it's really not worthy of further comment.
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After the above silliness I agree with you. Your point is absurd. Goodbye
 
Extra biblical ... I repeat the last verses of the Gospel of John ... a common itinerant? Thus de light of Christ is mostly beyond them in the dark ... but black is an absorbent hue ... thus the dimming of emotional pyres is a just fore runner ... Theos?

Like being hit by a lump of kohl, or a refrigerator door at 4 in the AM as an icon of hard hearted Ness? Where de light was sunk ...
 
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