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You were a woman who was facing a world that wasn't expected, that you had a sense of what it would be, who had been mistreated by some church leadership.
 
DaisyJane said:
I appreciate lastpointe's contribution here (post 1772). I remember the early days of parenting Matthew. I was angry. Really angry. I was resentful and frustrated and overwhelmed. I felt isolated and exhausted. I believed that no one understood my experience and that many "other" parents of kids with disabilities could not relate to my story because my story was so much more extreme than others'. And to be fair to that earlier version of me, things were overwhelming. My guess is if we were to pull threads from the very early days of wondercafe you could read some of that anger and bitterness in the posts.

And then people might remember that I stopped being specialmom and started being daisyjane. I reached a place where I could begin to see my identity and experiences as something that included more than being this special needs parent. I began to understand that disability was only one part of my story and my parenting journey. I also began to understand that my story was not unique.

As I lived this journey and learned to hear others with a heavy dose of humility I learned that I did not corner the market on tragedy, difficulty, and loss. That lots of people, including lots of people who outwardly looked like their lives were easy, unburdened, and barrier-free, lived similarly complicated lives with similar barriers, stigma, challenges, and prejudices. Some had extreme challenges and were quietly and not so quietly suffering and hurting. Granted my journey seemed more visible because my son is very visibly disabled. But, like lastpointe has suggested, I learned that if I listened to others' stories the common ground we shared of living with challenge, difficulty, and so on, was remarkable.
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I don't doubt that DaisyJane. I just want people to recognize the uniqueness of the barriers and prejudices presented when one's body or brain doesn't work like somebody arbitrarily setting the standards thinks it should.
 
Kimmio said:
Yeah. They do. I don't doubt that and I am not someone who doesn't recognize that. I'm about a paycheque, maybe a month, away from that at most times - were it not for a good friend who happened to need help with their bills and were looking for a roommate, we might be there now. Therefore but by the grace of God go I. And imagine if they also have a physical or mental impairment. Having a disability - there have been lots of stops and pauses and restarts in my life. Some periods, I have been more resilient to than others.
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yet 7 words is all you could spare on another thread much more relevant to your future well-being than defining disability again and again and again ...
Guaranteed basic income. Yes. I like it.
Kimmio, Monday at 10:19 PM
What does that expression mean ... therefore but by the grace of God go I ... homeless people are outside of God's grace?
 
UnDefinitive said:
yet 7 words is all you could spare on another thread much more relevant to your future well-being than defining disability again and again and again ...
Guaranteed basic income. Yes. I like it.
Kimmio, Monday at 10:19 PM
What does that expression mean ... therefore but by the grace of God go I ... homeless people are outside of God's grace?
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No it means I'm damn lucky to not be on the street. I had more than one close call in my life and I understand how easily it can happen when life circumstances pile up and overwhelm.
 
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Pinga said:
You were a woman who was facing a world that wasn't expected, that you had a sense of what it would be, who had been mistreated by some church leadership.
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i'm glad she was able to find people to share with & found a place where she could get some healin' :3
 
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DaisyJane said:
Just to add to my post a few up, I suppose for me, that is why I support this assisted suicide decision. There is an understanding that while many of us share a common experience of challenge and suffering, we also cannot understand others' suffering and it is unfair to make judgements based on external cues. If I reflect on my earlier experiences I was making judgments on others - that their suffering or challenges were less than mine - which was brutally unfair of me. I am not comfortable applying my judgement of acceptable suffering on another.
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For me, this is why i support the decision.

I cannot walk in my brothers shoes
 
I don't support it for non-terminal illness and disability needn't be a word included. I don't envy the doctors faced with such requests. It's really not 'treatment' and not something that they are there to do.
 
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Kimmio said:
I don't doubt that DaisyJane. I just want people to recognize the uniqueness of the barriers and prejudices presented when one's body or brain doesn't work like somebody arbitrarily setting the standards thinks it should.
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And yet you seem to be arbitrarily setting such standards in another way.
 
Northwind said:
And yet you seem to be arbitrarily setting such standards in another way.
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Arbitrarily in what way? If you're talking about the ruling I explained why I think it is a slippery slope to state 'disability'. I think people with disability's lives are devalued by this ruling, and I stated why which is the same reason CCD and CACL think so.
 
Northwind said:
Well not taking DaisyJane's concerns and experiences seriously. Labelling people ableist when they disagree with you to name a couple.
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I explained the disadvantage therefore why I think it's ableist. Not agreeing with me just means you support the idea that there is a 'norm' of labour ethics (timeliness, deadlines) and everyone has to keep up with it despite if their bodies are made to or not. That's arbitrary.

It's not that I don't take DJs concerns seriously but she is equating disability with impairment and I am not. Because they are two different causes of suffering. Not that her son doesn't have suffering.
 
DaisyJane is filtering everything through her lens of a parent with child who has a severe disability/ impairment and I am filtering my opinions through the lens of someone who is well into adulthood who lives with a disability - much less severe impairment, and I am disabled by external barriers.
 
Kimmio said:
I explained the disadvantage therefore why I think it's ableist. Not agreeing with me just means you support the idea that there is a 'norm' of labour ethics (timeliness, deadlines) and everyone has to keep up with it despite if their bodies are made to or not. That's arbitrary.
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That is not true. I disagree with you on certain terms. You are making a huge assumption when you believe I believe there is a norm of labour ethics. You also make a huge assumption that I believe that everyone has to keep up despite their bodies. I do not believe that. If you can find somewhere that I've said that show it to me.

Having said that, I do believe that you cannot cop out by using the disability card. You seem to want everyone to remove all barriers so you can have an easy life. You seem to want to blame disability for failures that happen merely because you are human. That does not suit you. I will accommodate and advocate accommodations to help anyone succeed. I will not support using a disability as an excuse.

It's not that I don't take DJs concerns seriously but she is equating disability with impairment and I am not. Because they are two different causes of suffering. Not that her son doesn't have suffering.[/QUOTE]
 
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I'm on my BlackBerry and can't seem to scroll down to edit my post. As for your comments on DJ, you are dismissing her because has a different view of disability v.s. impairment. They are really just words. You are going to use a word to dismiss someone's argument? ...
 
Kimmio said:
DaisyJane is filtering everything through her lens of a parent with child who has a severe disability/ impairment and I am filtering my opinions through the lens of someone who is well into adulthood who lives with a disability - much less severe impairment, and I am disabled by external barriers.
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You are filtering your views through a limited lens. Yes, you have barriers and yes those barriers need to be reduced and removed. In the meantime, you have to figure out how to manage your life. The barriers are there. I mentioned my friend who is very similar to you. She faces the same barriers and is no doubt frustrated. In spite of this, she manages to get through life. I know it is hard for her. She falls down. She is probably late. She gets discrimination. She asks for help if she needs it.
 
Northwind said:
That is not true. I disagree with you on certain terms. You are making a huge assumption when you believe I believe there is a normal of labour ethics. You also make a huge assumption that I believe that everyone has to keep up despite their bodies. I do not believe that. If you can find somewhere that I've said that show it to me.

Having said that, I do believe that you cannot cop out by using the disability card. You seem to want everyone to remove all barriers so you can have an easy life. You seem to want to blame disability for failures that happen merely because you are human. That does not suit you. I will accommodate and advocate accommodations to help anyone succeed. I will not support using a disability as an excuse.

It's not that I don't take DJs concerns seriously but she is equating disability with impairment and I am not. Because they are two different causes of suffering. Not that her son doesn't have suffering.
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No, Northwind. I want a more equal world. It won't be easy in my lifetime. You misunderstand my intention for bringing up my experiences. I should know better than to bring them up here. It's not just about me. It's none of your business to tell me how to manage my life or assume I am not trying to. And please nobody pipe in with "you have to do this". You are not my mothers, a few of you -you don't really know me or what my life looks like. And you don't exactly make empathetic inquiries (Northwind has) - just criticisms. One thing I don't do here when people explain their hardship is jump on their back with what's wrong with them. I may debate ideas, opinions, models - I don't tell people how to manage their own lives.

I made the assumption because you 'liked' all the posts taking the stance that people just have to plan better and not make excuses. Which are ableist assumptions - like, as if we don't know these things.
 
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In the last two years I lost two family members that I was close to - somewhere in there I got married- my mother disowned me because of a wedding photo of me and someone she doesn't like - said I wasn't her daughter anymore - she took me back just in time for Christmas that year - my husband lost his job. I lost two part time temporary jobs (laid off work shortage nothing to do with lateness), I got a full time job but struggled with depression, and cut back my hours - my husband lost another job - he has epilepsy and was having more seizures - we lost our home of four years because we couldn't keep up with rent - he took temp work - we moved in with a friend with an extra room - he got sick a week later and was in hospital for three weeks - I got depressed - my mother is being awful to me and my husband - and I just found out I might be laid off again because or cutbacks at this job. Two coworkers who have been there for years were laid off along with two others and there are two left to go. And all this while I am starting meds and trying to sort everything else out but it doesn't help that I am having more stiffness and trouble walking when there is so much to take care of - and barely an income. So don't tell me about excuses.
 
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Northwind said:
I'm on my BlackBerry and can't seem to scroll down to edit my post. As for your comments on DJ, you are dismissing her because has a different view of disability v.s. impairment. They are really just words. You are going to use a word to dismiss someone's argument? ...
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I was separating the words - explaining the social model - because as per this ruling it really matters that factors that disable people outside of their impairments are not reasons to grant assisted suicide.
 
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