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Northwind said:
I think I understand now. Only someone with a disability can have an opinion about the issues and disagreeing with someone who has a disability is part of the oppression and discrimination. There is only one way to define a disability and all persons with disabilities should be hired regardless of their physical abilities. Otherwise, they are being oppressed.

Have I got that right? :confused:
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Careful Northwind - you used the word 'disability'. According to some people that is a no-no. Maybe you should have used 'challenged'.
 
and ach, i just hate it when i'm trying to drive somewhere and those disabled retarded cripples stick under my unicorn? they gum up the works so i have to pull over and pry them out and put them gently by the side of the road with a few healing potions (which some of them don't take because that interferes with their culture, they like suffering & pain...) and by the time i've done that, i'm LATE LATE LATE and get fined a million zooleks, so, my reincarnation is pushed back even farther

sheesh its hard being a semisentient on this world

and don't get me started on non-elves trying to write aboot elves

not here

and so it goes
 
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Seeler said:
Careful Northwind - you used the word 'disability'. According to some people that is a no-no. Maybe you should have used 'challenged'.
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@Northwind, no, but people with disabilities should have the strongest say in what they need and what rules get made for them and what happens to them. And, yeah, they should get to be defined overall how they want to be defined, and not according to various 'experts' without disabilities.

No they shouldn't all be hired regardless of their disabilities but should be recognized and included for doing some things outside of 'normal' expectations. If they don't have hands but can do the same job with their feet they should have an equal shot at the job, for example - but that just does not happen very often. They shouldn't be stuck with being unemployed or poor because they happen to have a condition that doesn't fit neatly into narrow minded standards. And if they can't get hired they should not be relegated to poverty because of it while 'normal' people have far more opportunities not to be poor.
 
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Yes any group that has been oppressed has to be able to define itself. It also needs to recognize that there are allies. Allies can help when they are not alienated. If you are suggesting I consider myself an expert, you are again making an assumption.
 
Northwind said:
Yes any group that has been oppressed has to be able to define itself. It also needs to recognize that there are allies. Allies can help when they are not alienated. If you are suggesting I consider myself an expert, you are again making an assumption.
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No. Not you. But there is general frustration - hence the social vs medical model, in the disability community about having 'experts' define them.
 
Lastpointe said:
I think you are missing the point that jobs have skill sets

And not everyone meets them
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But they could meet them more often if society were more open minded about what constitutes a certain skill set . The person making sandwhiches with their feet. Would take some getting used to but as long as their feet were clean I don't see why not.

You're missing the point that skill sets are defined too narrowly and bonafide expectations are often arbitrarily thrown in to keep people with disabilities out (driving, let's say, when it is not actually a core part of the job and another employee could do it if it is only needed from time to time).
 
Seeler said:
It seems to me that words that were recently perfectly acceptable to use and that communicated ideas are quite suddenly offensive to some people. Perhaps we'd be better off not talking at all.

or maybe we just should not take offence where none is intended.
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Disability is acceptable to use. Just understand it the way the disability rights community and the UN intend for it to be understood. Please.
 
Kimmio said:
Me? No. I am someone with a disability who happened to work with people with disabilities.
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a few more...


i wonder if there's ever fights among PWDs? or fights among PWDs who follow the social model? or fights among PWDs who follow the social model vs the medical model?

hmm...'Splitters!' i'd guess?
 
UnDefinitive said:
Well being a bit of a gambler ... I'll wager my PWD can beat your PWD!
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which reminds me, i wonder how Lot's Wife is doing?

oh my, i've probably already eaten some of her...

holy, holy, holy

so yeah, i'll tap my Stephen Hawking, which gives me limited omnescience -- i get to see your PWD deck, UnDefinitive...OH MY..

i see you have Juno Rising & Not in the Face! oh oh, better break out my Bend for Svend card...
 
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i kowtow to the superior opponent! here's your crown of cripplehood and your short ride on the long bus ticket

all i had left was a few Ahab the Arab & Crafty Canucklhead Cards...no use, here...

(and squeeee...i just found out one can play CARDS AGAINST HUMANITY online!!! there IS a g_ddess)
 
can anyone play CARDS AGAINST HUMANITY or do you need to have political connections ...

Manitoba is the only province that reimburses candidates with disabilities for added campaign costs — such as accessible vans or a sign language interpreter that would travel door-to-door — so long as they attain 10 per cent of the vote, Levesque said.

“We’re hoping that this spreads to other provinces,” he said.

Alberta Liberal politician Kent Hehr, a quadriplegic, said systemic societal issues are deterring people with disabilities from entering politics.

“Society isn’t always as easy to navigate for a disabled person as it is for a ‘normal’ individual,” said the 44-year-old Hehr, who became disabled in 1991 after being shot in a random act of violence.

“There’s a multitude of challenges. To be disabled in our society means you’re going to be underemployed, have less access to money, less access to education, less access to the ability to take part in our society.”

But Hehr said while the systemic issues and added campaign costs are somewhat of a barrier, having a disability can actually work to a candidate’s advantage on the election trail.

“It can actually be one of the things you showcase,” said Hehr in an interview from Calgary.

“When I go down the street often times the people say, “Oh, there’s my MLA. He’s a wheelchair user.’ It’s easier for them to remember me because I’m a little different.”

Levesque said encouraging more people with disabilities to seek office is important in building an inclusive society, but many changes will need to be made.

Elections bodies will need to make it easier for people with disabilities to run and parties will have to do more to encourage them, while they themselves will need to boost awareness that politics is a viable career option, he said.

Levesque said he is continuing his research and wants to assemble a Canadian database of people with disabilities who have sought political office to help answer lingering questions.

“Do we need to get people with disabilities elected and sitting at that table, in the political offices, in cabinet, to have people recognize the issue as valid and to make significant changes?” he said.

But here's the rub ...

“We have to be able to identify these obstacles and issues in order to be able to address them in the first place.”

Starting over ?
 
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