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Kimmio,

in my above post my reference to honour society is something more specific than the behaviour and feeling of honour -- i should have used the term culture of honour actually :3

there are more examples of cultures of honour around the world -- these tend to be nomadic cultures with scarce resources, lack of sufficient law enforcement & the benefits of crime outweigh the risks (cf Richard Nisbett)-- so these nomadic cultures develop social norms that try to deal with that

Here's a simple write-up to get you started

Here is an example of a simple study (no maths or statistics here to worry aboot -- written in narrative english) of the actual physical & psychological effects in the US of members of the Southern Honour culture

Honor killings are associated with cultures of honor -- closer to home, a problem with multiculturalism we're having in Canada -- learning how to deal with it

one thought that i've had is that since it looks like people from these honour cultures react differently to being insulted than people outside, what are the consequences of allowing them to be elected leader of an influential country and how should that influence policy? how have these cultures influenced the BS that a lot of us follow (like Judaism, created by nomads; Islam, created by nomads...)

For more actual info and investigations into honour cultures, check out these books

Culture of Honor by Richard Nisbett & Dov Cohen
The Blank Slate: the Modern Denial of Human Nature by Steven Pinker
 
Inannawhimsey said:
Kimmio,

in my above post my reference to honour society is something more specific than the behaviour and feeling of honour -- i should have used the term culture of honour actually :3

there are more examples of cultures of honour around the world -- these tend to be nomadic cultures with scarce resources, lack of sufficient law enforcement & the benefits of crime outweigh the risks (cf Richard Nisbett)-- so these nomadic cultures develop social norms that try to deal with that

Here's a simple write-up to get you started

Here is an example of a simple study (no maths or statistics here to worry aboot -- written in narrative english) of the actual physical & psychological effects in the US of members of the Southern Honour culture

Honor killings are associated with cultures of honor -- closer to home, a problem wit
Inannawhimsey said:
Kimmio,

in my above post my reference to honour society is something more specific than the behaviour and feeling of honour -- i should have used the term culture of honour actually :3

there are more examples of cultures of honour around the world -- these tend to be nomadic cultures with scarce resources, lack of sufficient law enforcement & the benefits of crime outweigh the risks (cf Richard Nisbett)-- so these nomadic cultures develop social norms that try to deal with that

Here's a simple write-up to get you started

Here is an example of a simple study (no maths or statistics here to worry aboot -- written in narrative english) of the actual physical & psychological effects in the US of members of the Southern Honour culture

Honor killings are associated with cultures of honor -- closer to home, a problem with multiculturalism we're having in Canada -- learning how to deal with it

one thought that i've had is that since it looks like people from these honour cultures react differently to being insulted than people outside, what are the consequences of allowing them to be elected leader of an influential country and how should that influence policy? how have these cultures influenced the BS that a lot of us follow (like Judaism, created by nomads; Islam, created by nomads...)

For more actual info and investigations into honour cultures, check out these books

Culture of Honor by Richard Nisbett & Dov Cohen
The Blank Slate: the Modern Denial of Human Nature by Steven Pinker
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h multiculturalism we're having in Canada -- learning how to deal with it

one thought that i've had is that since it looks like people from these honour cultures react differently to being insulted than people outside, what are the consequences of allowing them to be elected leader of an influential country and how should that influence policy? how have these cultures influenced the BS that a lot of us follow (like Judaism, created by nomads; Islam, created by nomads...)

For more actual info and investigations into honour cultures, check out these books

Culture of Honor by Richard Nisbett & Dov Cohen
The Blank Slate: the Modern Denial of Human Nature by Steven Pinker
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Interesting. My ancestors are Scottish, English, Irish, German and Albertan. :ROFLMAO:
 
Edit: This refers to Graeme's post up thread.

I struggled over this with many Baptist, Wesleyan, and other evangelical pastors in Fredericton. To their blue and white collar congregations they preached grace as the unmerited, unearned goodness of God received as a gift.

They preached a contrary doctrine when it came to the support and encouragement of the chronic poor. These were admonished to "pull themselves up by their boot straps".

George
 
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Oh, that's New Brunswick for sure. I'm in Moncton, and the contrast with political, intellectual, and economic interest in, say, Montreal comes as a real shock. The irving newspapers are the worst I have ever seen -and I was, on the side, a commentator on radio, TV and in print for 25 years. I now have a blog on the Moncton Times and Transcript. That paper is trivial. It lies. It propagandizes.it's staff is utterly unethical and even stupid.

The paper has a Faith page which has sermonettes by local fundamentalist preachers. This past Saturday, for the first time in years, I saw one worth reading All the rest have been navel-gazing stories that seem to have been written for Sunday schools with large numbers of intellectually handicapped children.

People are polite, though.
 
Oh - honour culture. There isn't much of it in Canada. there is and always has been lots of bigotry and racism - but not much of honour culture. Perhaps the closest we've come is in Quebec with a sort of honour culture among both French and English. But even that stretches the term.
 
Well, the Christian tradition had a code of honour. It was called Chivalry. According to the Code of Chivalry, men were supposed to serve women and children, the rich to serve the poor, the powerful the powerless.

Alas, Chivalry is dead! :cry:
 
Graeme Decarie said:
Heck, Chivalry was never alive. The knights were thugs.
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I am talking about the idea and ideal of chivalry. And yes, I agree, many knights did not adhere to the ideal.

This does not mean that the idea could not be revived--if we are looking for a traditional or historical Christian/Western code of honour.
 
Graeme Decarie said:
As kids, all us boys were chivalric. But the girls normally told us just to get lost. It seems so unfair.
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They didn't want to be protected by us, eh?;)

Maybe protection should be handled in such a way that the protected don't realize that they are protected.
 
Luce NDs said:
Were the knights dressed out in irony ... with very little feeling essence inside ... that'd be hole ah?
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Most knights were dressed in chain mail. Sheet metal armour came later, was cumbersome and largely decorative.

But, being dressed in iron, many of them were struck by lightning. That's why chivalry died.
 
that's why the monarchs, when travelling overland, would always carry some knights with them...living lightning rods :3

*cue Monty Python intro sequence...'Its'*

a cool interpretation of Chivalry & courtly love is that it was invented by Eleanor of Aquitaine to civilize these brutes :3
 
RitaTG said:
I am not surprised ..... not at all ...... now I wonder what metrics your friends are using to determine that.....
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I'm honestly not sure what the proper definition of "metrics" is. Measurements - I would guess.
Hermann said:
Most knights were dressed in chain mail. Sheet metal armour came later, was cumbersome and largely decorative.

But, being dressed in iron, many of them were struck by lightning. That's why chivalry died.
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Also - wearing that heavy chain mail really restricted their actions. They could only move two spaces forward followed by one to the side.
 
Hermann said:
Exactly!

But it came from across the border to Aquitaine from Moorish Spain.

Those good-for-nothing Muslims were good for something, eh, once upon a time. :)
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:love: (coming from someone who is part Spanish Moor genetically...)

i heard that it was the Sufis?* (who, depending on which scholar I ask, were either a sect of Islam period or were MUCH older than Islam, going back to *cue echo* 'the times of legends') which brings up a delightful image of mystical poet knights riding dreams (unicorns?)

* cool family fact -- my father's mother said that the Prophet by Kahlil Gibran was her bible (y)
 
Inannawhimsey said:
:love: (coming from someone who is part Spanish Moor genetically...)

i heard that it was the Sufis?* (who, depending on which scholar I ask, were either a sect of Islam period or were MUCH older than Islam, going back to *cue echo* 'the times of legends') which brings up a delightful image of mystical poet knights riding dreams (unicorns?)

* cool family fact -- my father's mother said that the Prophet by Kahlil Gibran was her bible (y)
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My brother - the agnostic - had a reading from The Prophet done at his wedding - rather than a reading from the Bible.
 
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