Defunding & Investigating Planned Parenthood

[Waterfall]

Or maybe they will just have their babies.

That's a possibility too, and they may become pregnant again and again too because there is usually an underlying emotional cause that some churches are unwilling to address other than banning them from the community and ignoring their mental health.

 

[Luce NDs]

Isnot know 'na mental deficiency ... as encouraged by highly emotional and opinionated people in the alternate essence?

The spirit of chance ... wayward wind!

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

That's a possibility too, and they may become pregnant again and again too because there is usually an underlying emotional cause that some churches are unwilling to address other than banning them from the community and ignoring their mental health.

Hilarious!

 

[DaisyJane]

Or maybe they will just have their babies.

And that is all these judgemental men seem to care about. Because if they truly cared about life their concern wouldn't stop at the birth of the baby. Pro-life advocates would then ensure adequate maternity leave, high-quality child care and educational opportunities, ongoing health care, and employment protection for women. For those women who chose not to abort their child with disabilities these "pro-life" advocates would ensure excellent supports, income protection, health care, and respite. For women worried about bringing a baby into an abusive home these "pro-life" advocates would ensure excellent shelters, protections, and a strong social safety net.

Until these services (among others) are vigorously supported by the "pro-life" movement I fail to see how they are anything other than anti-abortion and anti-woman. They sure as hell are not pro-LIFE.

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

Sexist!

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

There are plenty of women who are pro life.

 

[DaisyJane]

There are plenty of women who are pro life.

Fair point. However I would level the same accusations at them.

 

[Waterfall]

Hilarious!

In 2010 in the United States there were 365000 births to teens according to the CDC.
66,800 were repeat births and of those 57,220 were repeat births, 8,400 were 3rd births and 1,200 were 4th or more births.
Rates have been declining since 1990 and may be a result of teens having more knowledge of contraceptive use.

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

Fair point. However I would level the same accusations at them.

That does not relieve you of being a sexist.

 

[Pontifex Geronimo 13]

In 2010 in the United States there were 365000 births to teens according to the CDC.
66,800 were repeat births and of those 57,220 were repeat births, 8,400 were 3rd births and 1,200 were 4th or more births.

Are you suggesting that they should just get their tubes tied the first time?

 

[GeoFee]

Hi Pontifex,

Would be very pleased to explore this matter with you in this place. It would provide you with an opportunity to show us just how wrong we are in our notice of hypocrisy at work in and through some religious organizations. I would be happy to have this conversation. Past engagement suggests you prefer posting random comments critical of differing perspective and then stepping back. Perhaps feeling we are not deserving of much more.

Are you up for a conversation?

George

 

[DaisyJane]

That does not relieve you of being a sexist.

Okay. Again. Fair point. However, statistically speaking a significant majority of advocates for the pro-life movement are men in positions of power - i.e.: Pence. The initiator of the thread is male. I am responding to the image of the men in the USA sitting around the table making decisions about a woman's right to abortion - not a single woman was in the image. The most vocal advocates for the pro-life movement are men. Sure women can be pro-life as well, but my concerns directed toward men are not without merit and are reasonably founded.

 

[Mendalla]

Are you suggesting that they should just get their tubes tied the first time?

Getting an IUD put in would accomplish the same thing and is reversible. Or, you know, a scrip for The Pill. Not sure why you're suggesting she would "go nuclear" when she never said such.

 

[Waterfall]

Are you suggesting that they should just get their tubes tied the first time?

No, I'm suggesting because teen pregnancies have dramically declined, that the reality is planned parenthood works over abstinence at this point in history. Repeat pregnancies seem to suggest a further lack of education, emotional needs being met through pregnancy, etc.....

 

[DaisyJane]

No, I'm suggesting because teen pregnancies have dramically declined, that the reality is planned parenthood works over abstinence at this point in history. Repeat pregnancies seem to suggest a further lack of education, emotional needs being met through pregnancy, etc.....

Indeed. There is sound research to demonstrate this fact. The only thing abstinence-only education guarantees is a high rate of teen pregnancy. If pro-lifers are serious about ensuring babies are born then the first thing they need to do is to ensure comprehensive sexual and reproductive health education, including education about contraception, so that we can ensure that pregnancies are chosen and intentional.

 

[Carolla]

There was an interview on The Current on CBC radio this week on what google search data reveals about us socially. One aspect commented upon was searches for instruction on how to induce or perform an abortion on oneself. If I recall correctly, geographic correlation was higher in areas where clinical abortion is unavailable, level of religious rejection of abortion is high. He also posited (based on data) that closing of such abortion services has not in fact actually increased the numbers of live births, suggesting that the practice of abortion has been driven underground by these actions. There's also other interesting data on 'being gay', etc. Here's a link to the programme - not sure at which minute mark the reference occurs. The Current | What Google searches reveal about the human psyche

 

[Carolla]

Ah ... the reference in the recording above comes around minute 16 - "America seems to be experiencing an epidemic of self-induced abortions."

 

[GeoFee]

Hi Pontifex,

Blame prolife on all the ills of America.

The Cree people measure their actions by the implication for the seventh generation. Like Sarah and Abraham they were forward looking and responsible to all their relations. In particular their children and their children's children.

I have heard no voice here blaming "Pro-life" for the ills of America. I have heard deep concern for the well being of mothers and children in all places. Children such as the 500,000 thousand children who died as a direct consequence of American imperial adventures in Iraq. One example of many that could be brought forward. The horror of American imperial aspiration well represented in Madeline Albright's considered opinion that the deaths of these children was a price that needed to be paid to further American interests in Iraq.

Where was "Focus on the Family"? Where was "Back to the Bible"? Pronouncing the sanctity of human life in the public square? Not a peep. I suspect that both these Bible based Institutions stand in full support of American imperial policy. No matter what the cost in human lives.

Does "Pro-life" care for all children? I would like you to take a few moments to survey a variety of scientific journals reporting the correlation of fast food (salt, sugar and fat) with infant diabetes and obesity. Notice the health determinants. Then take a moment to notice the massive advertising strategies designed to seduce the imagination of young children into desire for that which will bring them serious harm over the long term. Behind those advertising strategies corporations wholly governed by the desire for profit. No matter what the cost to children everywhere. Why not a word from "Pro-life" on this? Why not a word from "Focus on the Family" or "Back to the Bible"?

What about you? Are you counted among those who have taken three aspects of our decadent Western civilization to be the sole problem at work among us? Are you comfortable with the destruction of peoples and places in the name of profit and power? If so I have a short proverb for you to consider: "A false balance is an abomination to the spirit of God."

What do you think?

George

Scientific Research into the Correlation of Fast Food with Childhood Diabetes and Obesity


Background on the death of 500,000 infants in Iraq"

 

[Pinga]

The project lead for "Center for Medical Progress was just convicted for the misleadingly edited videos of Planned Parenthood.

DaisyJane and revsdd both covered the hypocrisy of the outrage well. Jae, this is just you trying to generate an angry reaction again by floating the worst stuff you can find about this next group you are ostensibly latching on to. It's so, so obvious to everyone by now. No one cares.

Though if you really are joining the Southern Baptists, I think they are awful people and fully deserving of you.

Oh, this cracked me up Sorry, wish I could double-like.

 

[KayTheCurler]

There are plenty of women who are pro life.

I know lots of men and women who refer to themselves as pro-life. It would be more honest to refer to most of them as anti-abortion. I find them devious and dishonest.