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Is insanity contagious ... considering the process is unconscious? One really doesn't have to work at it ... it just is .. and something to overcome as a foundation?

If you are not conforming to this standard ... deny and make believe with great passion ... expect considerable complex and conflict!

Could this be the emotions and intellect rising to the dance? When will it all stop and have Sei Zure ... that's the Deis ... or other phonetic variants ... Ca Thy?

Imagine looking down from the moon ... is east right or remnant ...

Who leads? It is still the brawn and brutal one ... so what can we further expect ... something worse in the future? As the ballad says; Tell Him its Time to Go!

Something was lost and something received ... not always good news as winners claim ... sometimes in elimination and denial they exclaim ... (can the story be complete given the mess presented?)

Caldron boil and caldron bubble ... once it was small pox festering! Is the solution guns or vaccination ... which is more efficient insanity?

Thus wheels crank out guns ... and know no obstacles ... in fixed change ... obvious amendments? Could we do that? Unlikely ... a mysterious force needed a place to store emotions and other insanities ... that Sur! Blind lass in the night ... sometimes referred to as anima in psychological code ... spirit of a man ... where? Human particularities ...

Is there a proper time to gather? It seems we've lost that edge ... of when to cut oats, etc. Bloody naïve right ... where folks remove brains and hang them in the hall ... and it rises up ... like 'elle 'n floats ... "up she comes ..."

Captain Ahab started it ... displaced a leg ... created legacy (close to legend, of many leagues deep)! from there plank ton ... al gae? The green solution ...

Remember the roll 'n stones? Boll*ngs ...
 
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3rd doses are now I thing in Alberta. There's a list of who is included, no mention of primary immunodeficiencies but I'm not sure if the list is exhaustive or not.
 
ChemGal said:
3rd doses are now I thing in Alberta. There's a list of who is included, no mention of primary immunodeficiencies but I'm not sure if the list is exhaustive or not.
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I saw an article that said people who are immunocompromised would get the third vaccine.
 
ChemGal said:
The Alberta website lists reasons to be included and immunodeficiencies don't make the list.
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Alberta rolls out third doses

"Immunocompromised conditions that qualify for an additional dose at least eight weeks after their second dose include:

  • Transplant recipients, including solid organ transplants and hematopoietic stem cell transplants.
  • Individuals with chronic kidney disease who are receiving regular dialysis.
  • Individuals in active cancer treatment (chemotherapy, immunotherapy, or targeted therapies) excluding those receiving only hormonal therapy, radiation therapy, or surgery.
  • Individuals on certain medications for autoimmune diseases, including rituximab, ocrelizumab, and ofatumumab."
I know this isn't the best source of information. It does mention people who are immunocompromised
 
Northwind said:
Alberta rolls out third doses

"Immunocompromised conditions that qualify for an additional dose at least eight weeks after their second dose include:

  • Transplant recipients, including solid organ transplants and hematopoietic stem cell transplants.
  • Individuals with chronic kidney disease who are receiving regular dialysis.
  • Individuals in active cancer treatment (chemotherapy, immunotherapy, or targeted therapies) excluding those receiving only hormonal therapy, radiation therapy, or surgery.
  • Individuals on certain medications for autoimmune diseases, including rituximab, ocrelizumab, and ofatumumab."
I know this isn't the best source of information. It does mention people who are immunocompromised
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Yeah, it's just odd how it was done. Shandro did state for all of those who are immunocompromised with the update.
Considering there's the travel boosters for those who had mix and match I think as long as people talk to a doctor it will be fairly liberal.

Healthcare providers are a little overwhelmed though so not the best way to do it.
 
I am not sure about some of her data. I also question her use of the word "prevent". I understand the vaccines reduce the risk of infection, even the Delta variant, reduce the severity when infected, and reduce the amount of virus that are transmitted when infected. I was surprised by the one statistic she threw out about 80% of the people hospitalized were fully vaccinated. Does anyone know where that datum arose? I also know nothing about the new pertussis vaccine. Her flu stats are different from ones I heard from a specialis a few years ago. The flue vaccine helps significantly the first year and a little the second year, while having a negative effect the third year. For optimum protection from the flue, statistically, get the flu vaccine for two years, skip a year, then repeat.
 
Northwind said:
Can any of the resident science brains speak to this?

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I won't speak to pertussis other than I do know they look at vaccinated mothers to protect newborns, Alberta did a study on that in the last 10? years, where now pregnant women are encouraged to get that which is a change in policy.

The statements she's making about the delta variant are exaggerated, some of it is what was mentioned before about peak viral loads being the same with the swabs. The info around 6:20 I would need to look at the study, but that seems suspect to me.

I do agree, what the COVID vaccines were being studied for was illness severity, not transmission.

The flu vaccine it sounds like she took one study that doesn't have a great deal of evidence.

Repeating myself on conclusions - we need to look at how we're promoting the vaccine and where we are with it. Vaccinations - reduces hospital numbers with COVID significantly. Breakthrough severe illness is still significant though - and not rare when it comes to needing hospitalization. They most likely cut down on transmission, but with the variants not as much as we would hope for.

Her opinion even if we 100% agreed on what the evidence is would be different.

With the COVID vaccines we also need to think a bit longer term, with the mRNA vaccines I think it's very likely that 2 doses of the initial COVID that was circulating plus a dose of a new mRNA vaccine based on the variants will give good protection. Ideally that will mean better prevention of transmission too.
 
Breaking down those number 469 cases of COVID. Vaccinated population = 58% of those eligible.

Vaccinated people:
346 cases of COVID
274 had symptoms
4 in hosptial

Unvaccinated/partially vaccinated
123 cases
no data on numbers symptomatic
1 in hospital

Something to keep in mind, we don't know how many of those 123 cases in the unvaccinated group were children too young to be vaccinated, which is going to throw a bias into the numbers.

Big takeaway - large events are likely to lead to a high number of covid cases, even in those who are vaccinated. Masking is still a good policy to have.
 
Of concern of the breakthrough infections in that group - 2 of those hospitalized had no underlying conditions.
The age range given is wide 20-70, so it's hard to know if age was a risk factor for those two people. Obesity often isn't counted as an 'underlying medical condition' but with COVID I think it should be listed as such.
 
Looking at the situation in Israel where they now know that the Pfizers protection significantly drops after six month- if you keep counting everyone who ever got vaccinated as “ vaccinated”, there will be a whole lot of vaccinated people with Covid in the future. That’s also why a passport without an expiry date doesn’t make too much sense in terms of protection.
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
Looking at the situation in Israel where they now know that the Pfizers protection significantly drops after six month- if you keep counting everyone who ever got vaccinated as “ vaccinated”, there will be a whole lot of vaccinated people with Covid in the future. That’s also why a passport without an expiry date doesn’t make too much sense in terms of protection.
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Exactly!
 
I wonder if we should also be comparing the effectiveness of the Mrna vaccines to the others....such as the one China has developed called Sinovac ( an inactivated vaccine) or Sinopharm? What is the success rate on that?
 
Waterfall said:
I wonder if we should also be comparing the effectiveness of the Mrna vaccines to the others....such as the one China has developed called Sinovac ( an inactivated vaccine) or Sinopharm? What is the success rate on that?
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It's hard to compare when both aren't being used within 1 population. There's a lot of different variables involved. If one is working way better that would be easier to see despite all the differences,

Chile used both:

www.bloomberg.com

Sinovac’s Vaccine Found Inferior to Pfizer Shot in Chile Study

Sinovac Biotech Ltd.’s vaccine was less potent than Pfizer Inc.’s at stopping Covid-19 in Chile where the two shots were used simultaneously, allowing the first real-world comparison of the two inoculations.
www.bloomberg.com www.bloomberg.com
 
ChemGal said:
It's hard to compare when both aren't being used within 1 population. There's a lot of different variables involved. If one is working way better that would be easier to see despite all the differences,

Chile used both:

www.bloomberg.com

Sinovac’s Vaccine Found Inferior to Pfizer Shot in Chile Study

Sinovac Biotech Ltd.’s vaccine was less potent than Pfizer Inc.’s at stopping Covid-19 in Chile where the two shots were used simultaneously, allowing the first real-world comparison of the two inoculations.
www.bloomberg.com www.bloomberg.com
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Singapore, Malaysia, Philipines, have signed up with Sinovac since January 2021 and Turkey for emergency use.
Brazil and Chili have also secured deals with Sinovac.
United Arab Emerites and Bahrain have deals with Sinopharm vaccine.
 
ChemGal said:
Chile used both:

www.bloomberg.com

Sinovac’s Vaccine Found Inferior to Pfizer Shot in Chile Study

Sinovac Biotech Ltd.’s vaccine was less potent than Pfizer Inc.’s at stopping Covid-19 in Chile where the two shots were used simultaneously, allowing the first real-world comparison of the two inoculations.
www.bloomberg.com www.bloomberg.com
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On the comparitive data chart what exactly are the percentages representing?
Also I thought we were hearing the Pfizer didnt stay around 95% efficacy for very long and dropped over time until it was no longer effective after 6 to 8 months.
 
Waterfall said:
On the comparitive data chart what exactly are the percentages representing?
Also I thought we were hearing the Pfizer didnt stay around 95% efficacy for very long and dropped over time until it was no longer effective after 6 to 8 months.
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Imagine a vaccine as a temporal factor leading to eternal points of position! Merely transitional functions and thus it moves on ... and this too will pass without note ... as the ignore function is efficient as keeping us from learning different ... maybe even in learning anything whatsoever as knowledge is stated to be evil ...
 
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