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First a bit of bad news about the virus......in the UK they are seeing signs of the virus mutating, which in and of itself is not necessarily a bad thing because the Covid virus has mutated already, but this latest mutation is not good.
This new mutation causes the virus to spread faster.....
So of course, this begs the question.....will the current vaccines also stop this new virus mutation......so far the answer is, they don't know.
news.sky.com

COVID-19:Variant found in UK may be more deadly than original virus - here's what we know

The strain, known as VUI-202012/01, may be up to 70% more transmissible - and has a "very clear genetic make up".
news.sky.com news.sky.com
 
The Moderna vaccine is expected to be approved and doses given this month. Here, the plan is healthcare workers get the Pfizer one and long term care residents the Moderna one, to allow vaccines to be given on site for the long term care residents.
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
And Germany is the country with the most ICU beds per population. The problem it is facing now is not just ICU beds but staffing.
If you remember from the first wave in Italy, the nurses who were reporting that despite having Covid, they had to come to work if they didn’t have serious symptoms. I don’t think Germany is doing that, but maybe they are at the brink of having to do that.
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I'm so sorry to read about your sister, Mrs. A..........

One thought is crystal clear in my mind right now - for every invention there is both positive and negative results.
I'm referring specifically to the advent of social media.
A positive result is that the whole world can see footage on police and military violence. Folks like me in Australia can communicate with folks like you in Canada -leading to "real-life" friendships that would not have happened without the help of social media. I'm sure there are others, but I use these examples to illustrate my point.

The main negative point is that now any uninformed opinion has the same weight as scientific facts and years of research. This lunacy - and I use the word advisedly - has led to the horrific problem the entire planet is facing right now.

Look at climate change, look at the pandemic.

In the words of Zorba the Greek - it's "the full catastrophe".
 
PilgrimsProgress said:
The main negative point is that now any uninformed opinion has the same weight as scientific facts and years of research.
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I thought about this, too. In old times, the propaganda was spread by radio and word of mouth and big public meetings kinda like Trump rallies. The generation now believing internet propaganda is probably the one that said to the grandparent generation: how could you have believed what Hitler told you?
Today, there is all information available- but it still comes down to common sense and the human kindness of the individual if you end up running along with the wrong crowd.
 
Waterfall said:
And now for possible good news....Yale researchers think they may have discovered what causes the chronic type of Covid 19 illness (or Long Haulers-those who continue to have severe symptoms after surviving Covid 19.)
Of course it still has to be peer reviewed...

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That is interesting Waterfall. I was chatting online with some long haul patients recently and one had seen an improvement (6 months in!) when she used at home oxygen. The other asked her doc about that and he prescribed her a concentrator to try - while cautioning her to keep an eye on her stats. She too felt an improvement. Obviously two cases doesn't really mean anything - but at least two docs are now interested in the role of added oxygen!
 
KayTheCurler said:
That is interesting Waterfall. I was chatting online with some long haul patients recently and one had seen an improvement (6 months in!) when she used at home oxygen. The other asked her doc about that and he prescribed her a concentrator to try - while cautioning her to keep an eye on her stats. She too felt an improvement. Obviously two cases doesn't really mean anything - but at least two docs are now interested in the role of added oxygen!
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Ugh. That means some of our COVID patients might become chronic patients down the road I guess. Good news for O2 providers in a way, but it is definitely NOT our preferred method of increasing revenue. All the more reason to keep up masking and social distancing until a vaccine is in wide circulation.
 
PilgrimsProgress said:
The main negative point is that now any uninformed opinion has the same weight as scientific facts and years of research. This lunacy - and I use the word advisedly - has led to the horrific problem the entire planet is facing right now.
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Could not have said it better myself. There is nothing scientific about this lockdown lunacy ...
 
Waterfall said:
First a bit of bad news about the virus......in the UK they are seeing signs of the virus mutating, which in and of itself is not necessarily a bad thing because the Covid virus has mutated already, but this latest mutation is not good.
This new mutation causes the virus to spread faster.....
So of course, this begs the question.....will the current vaccines also stop this new virus mutation......so far the answer is, they don't know.
news.sky.com

COVID-19:Variant found in UK may be more deadly than original virus - here's what we know

The strain, known as VUI-202012/01, may be up to 70% more transmissible - and has a "very clear genetic make up".
news.sky.com news.sky.com
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Couldn't access the article. But I did hear a discussion about mutations recently - in that, the researcher indicated that the actual spike where the vaccine attaches has not changed in shape - so the mRNA can still recognize it & the vaccine is therefore still effective. The virus molecule has changed in 'springiness' of the stalk - which they suggested could increase transmission by nasal routes.
 
Carolla said:
Couldn't access the article. But I did hear a discussion about mutations recently - in that, the researcher indicated that the actual spike where the vaccine attaches has not changed in shape - so the mRNA can still recognize it & the vaccine is therefore still effective. The virus molecule has changed in 'springiness' of the stalk - which they suggested could increase transmission by nasal routes.
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Hopefully you don't mind a correction, there seems to be a lot of confusion about how the vaccine works.
The mRNA doesn't do the 'recognizing'. It essentially has blueprints for the spike protein. Our cells will use it to make the spike protein, which out body then make antibodies too.

As long as the spike protein of any mutated virus is similar enough to the spike protein for an antibody to latch on to both, the vaccine should be effective. So even mutations within the spike may be ok, depends on what they are/how it affects the overall shape of the protein.
 
Nice to have a scientist around to explain stuff

have we heard anything more about people having had the vaccine can still get Covid and possibly spread it?
 
Lastpointe said:
Nice to have a scientist around to explain stuff

have we heard anything more about people having had the vaccine can still get Covid and possibly spread it?
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Apparently that's one of the things the short development cycle has not given them time to investigate properly, or it seems from what I have read. In computer terms, this early rollout is going to be a public beta so we are still learning about this vaccine even as we roll it out.
 
We don't really know, but I think it will make a drastic difference. It should really limit the amount of time someone puts out enough virus as well as the oveerall amount put out (so more difficult for someone else to get infected) if it's still possible to pass it on after being vaccinated.
 
Mendalla said:
Ugh. That means some of our COVID patients might become chronic patients down the road I guess. Good news for O2 providers in a way, but it is definitely NOT our preferred method of increasing revenue. All the more reason to keep up masking and social distancing until a vaccine is in wide circulation.
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I'm not convinced that it will play out like that. This person seemed to be having neurological problems that they described 'as if my brain doesn't know which way to direct messages;. Improvement was seen after starting oxygen which they thought may assist the brain to rewire so to speak. Lay person logic says it shouldn't add new problems so might be worth trying.
 
www.cnn.com

2 Alaska health care workers suffer reactions to Covid-19 vaccine | CNN

Two workers at an Alaska hospital suffered allergic reactions after receiving Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine this week, and one was kept for observation for at least two nights, hospital representatives said.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
Not sounding too good in terms of treatment response but may be a Canadian vs. American difference. If allergic reactions these BOTH meet criteria for anaphylaxis - it is considered anaphylaxis much earlier that most people think. Initial treatment for anaphylaxis is epinephrine not benedryl this is something immunologists have been trying to get people to follow. It should happen as soon as the signs and symptoms are recognized and not waiting until someone is at hospital.
 
ChemGal said:
www.cnn.com

2 Alaska health care workers suffer reactions to Covid-19 vaccine | CNN

Two workers at an Alaska hospital suffered allergic reactions after receiving Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine this week, and one was kept for observation for at least two nights, hospital representatives said.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
Not sounding too good in terms of treatment response but may be a Canadian vs. American difference. If allergic reactions these BOTH meet criteria for anaphylaxis - it is considered anaphylaxis much earlier that most people think. Initial treatment for anaphylaxis is epinephrine not benedryl this is something immunologists have been trying to get people to follow. It should happen as soon as the signs and symptoms are recognized and not waiting until someone is at hospital.
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I've heard the second dose had more allergic reactions than the first dose during trials.
 
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