Conspiracies, What Are They ?

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Mrs.Anteater said:
Rita, you really should get in the habit of marking text as quotes as you quote.
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Why ... because I have to assume that nobody else read the article that you posted and that I linked it to as well?
So you posted the article ... I quoted from the article ... you and I seem to be the only ones interested in the article and that may have read the article ... so how about the portion that I quoted? The context of it ... do you agree with the context or disagree?

I agree with the article ... specifically ... we are not served well by:
  • assuming that anyone perceived to not be in agreement has bad intentions, is immoral, and deserves to be attacked,
  • assuming that shame and punishments like banning presenters from speaking, having professors fired, or engaging in physical intimidation or violence are the best or only ways to bring about justice
  • being vague or so broad in defining and applying important terms like racism, trauma, oppression, and injustice that just about any word or act might fit with the definition,
  • assuming that a preferred theory about these terms is correct without formulating it in a way that allows it to be tested or revised if needed,
  • assuming that if an idea offends us or makes us uncomfortable, it can automatically be completely rejected
  • demanding conformity through heavy policing of language and ideas.
So labeling something as conspiracy seems rather like a 'feeble excuse to do all of the above'.

How did my discussion around mandatory vaccination as a logical outcome of this 'pandemic' as all the evidence - not theory about the evidence - shows that the goals and objectives .... as openly stated and being acted on by Bill & Melinda Gates 'foundations' and ... now being echoed loud and clear by almost all 'world leaders' ... get relegated to 'Conspiracy Theory' that needs to be policed and censored to conform with the 'status quo' of 'vaccination at all costs as the final solution' ?
 
Ritafee said:
Why ... because I have to assume that nobody else read the article that you posted and that I linked it to as well?
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No- because 1. nobody will go back and forth between the two to see if all you did was quoting it or if you added something or left something out.
2. Because the author deserves to be named as such. As much as he has a right, in the case you do leave something out or add something, that that is made clear.

Are you so used from the videos and texts you post that one can just take everything out of context and add your own to make it sound the way you want that you don’t care about rights/ manners?
 
Mrs.Anteater said:
No- because 1. nobody will go back and forth between the two to see if all you did was quoting it or if you added something or left something out.
2. Because the author deserves to be named as such. As much as he has a right, in the case you do leave something out or add something, that that is made clear.

Are you so used from the videos and texts you post that one can just take everything out of context and add your own to make it sound the way you want that you don’t care about rights/ manners?
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Just delete my posts then ... by whatever means necessary ... I am done!
 
Oh no, Bill Gates!!

This is not a conspiracy theory but I know even mentioning Gates could cause Rita to post conspiracy theories that supposedly involve him...that's why I am putting this here.

Here are a couple of people having an intelligent, rational discussion, criticizing Bill Gates. @Ritafee you'll be disappointed to know that they said nothing about the "New World Order". Not even once.

Actually, it's a critique about Gate's failed remote education experiment in the Pacific Northwest, and the fact that Andrew Cuomo is partnering with Gates to deliver a similar initiative (which was not effective) in NY. Their critique is that a billionaire should not be having outsized influence over the public education system, and that teachers know better about what support and resources are needed for kids to get good educations, than Gates does, because they are the ones teaching and see where the issues are. But Cuomo is going ahead with their partnership anyway.

No mandatory vaccines or microchips were mentioned. This is a different topic. It does seem like Gates is eager to capitalize on the necessity of remote learning right now - to capitalize on a crisis by putting his brand into the public education system in NY, even though his pilot project wasn't successful, by Microsoft's own admission in their concluding report.

 
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In the light of intelligence ... Jesus being the delight here ... should knowing intelligence save one from falling into abstract holes? Abstract being dark like the foundations of mind, soul, psychic hatred!

What else is there to support a fence post ... but the surrounding mire and dirt? The baffling divides continue ...
 
One has to respect the nature of word as wholly ... entirely hairy in it's partial absorption ... thus incompletely stood down ... under-stood?

May be dark and indelible as broad cast essence about us ... Nut Beams? B' oink ... forest augers?

May mean nothing to those of emotion ... then emotions go on with adolescents doing nothing ... as reputedly reported in theory ... perhaps hypotheses! Sub dude conspiracies ... thus underlings ...

My grandfather always said nothing was love as something missing ... thus egoes!
 
This is 40 minutes long but I find worth listening to- it is a talk about a book that gives insight into human behaviour with regard to influencing each other, handling conflicts, biases and judgements.
 
This excellent article on why conspiracies thrive and who believes them this morning. CORONAVIRUS “Immune to Evidence”: How Dangerous Coronavirus Conspiracies Spread

I quote our own @LBmuskoka :

”Conspiracy thinking is immune to evidence. ” In a crisis like covid, people have to be capable of adapting to new evidence. What I see in comments and even media reports is a significant lack of critical thinking skills to process new information and in a health crisis that results in deaths. This article describes this better than I can...."
 
Northwind said:
This excellent article on why conspiracies thrive and who believes them this morning. CORONAVIRUS “Immune to Evidence”: How Dangerous Coronavirus Conspiracies Spread

I quote our own @LBmuskoka :

”Conspiracy thinking is immune to evidence. ” In a crisis like covid, people have to be capable of adapting to new evidence. What I see in comments and even media reports is a significant lack of critical thinking skills to process new information and in a health crisis that results in deaths. This article describes this better than I can...."
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Very well said.
 
I just heard something interesting, and I think, bang-on, on my fav show “Majority Report”... it’s the de-democaratization , and centralization of the economy (into fewer hands) that has led to a sense of powerlessness in the populace, which has led to more conspiracy theories on every political side... and I would say, also, opportunistic hucksters hawking them in a place like America which is at the extreme end of end stage neoliberal Capitalism ... people feel powerless, it’s a way of grasping onto something that gives the followers a sense of collective identity, and there will be those who take advantage of them, manipulate them with said conspiracy theories, to turn a buck.
 
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This is a bit long and painful...but this interview sums it all up, re: what are conspiracy theories, and how do they persist? Sam does a good job of debunking his arguments in a satirical/ sarcastic manner, while the guy doesn’t even know he’s failing at explaining himself.

(And the caller is an example, IMO, of the hucked becoming the huckster. He’s just really bad at it, and exposes the low information ridiculousness of, as well as the confluence of, libertarianism and right wing conspiracy theories.)

 
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Kimmio Laughterlove said:
This is a bit long and painful...but this interview sums it all up, re: what are conspiracy theories, and how do they persist? Sam does a good job of debunking his arguments in a satirical/ sarcastic manner, while the guy doesn’t even know he’s failing at explaining himself.

(And the caller is an example, IMO, of the hucked becoming the huckster. He’s just really bad at it, and exposes the low information ridiculousness of, as well as the confluence of, libertarianism and right wing conspiracy theories.)

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There are surveys done that indicate the populace having a given choice ... would rather not know or understand things of bad news ... that may appear pleasant at first!

In the hedonistic rush (run on pleasure) often the consequences of any initial screw up ... maybe overlooked and poorly understood ... as simply we don't wish to know because of our blissful desire for naivete! Is that not somewhat ignorant ...

Always be cautious of who you pair off with because their virtual thoughts are unknown knowledge! The open-minded stranger may be an improved choice over the resistant close minded person that doesn't even know where the urges are driving their pleasures. The situation is chaotic given those driven blindly by desires ... and thoughtlessness!

Could thoughtlessness be a dark conspiracy given the folk that would rather bliss? I can't see it ...
 
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