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BethAnne said:
We also had CCF here but it didn't take off like it did in SK (forerunner for NDP)
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Yeah, I remember that, too. History was one of my best subjects, even if I ended up leaning more to ancient history courtesy of studying Latin in high school.
 
Mendalla said:
Yeah, I remember that, too. History was one of my best subjects, even if I ended up leaning more to ancient history courtesy of studying Latin in high school.
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History major and my focus in university was the Fur trade and the Canadian Depression years :)
 
Jaebius said:
Thank you for the information, Kimmio.

It was nice of them to tell we Canadians who live outside Canada about it :rolleyes: Bad enough that we get disadvantaged on medical care and dentistry
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"Revenge" ... isn't that a factor in the Trump opposition to those that oppose the preposterous precedents? All actions have reactions and one should be appreciative of the side effects ... further reaction of a non responsible nature ...

Is appreciation of psychopathy a critical imperative to be categorized? --- Nietzsche! ( studied the wash of night, sometimes known as the great darkness of Soul)!
 
Mendalla said:
Yeah, I remember that, too. History was one of my best subjects, even if I ended up leaning more to ancient history courtesy of studying Latin in high school.
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History is more modern to me as it is still being created although many of the folk disbelieve what is happening right under their noses ... making it subtle?

Makes me think of that novel journal The Notebook that appears more of a dreamy vision of things gone by without resolution! There is something deeper than the rigid superficiality ... but hidden in the stonewalling ... so much for the "freedom of movement" in the other 3! These are laid out in the 4 points of the compass theory ... very unreal but you cannot call it complex or imaginary ... due to alter spirits!

Fits with the blue rocks out of Mont Anna and other positions on the sphere ... Anna pops up frequently! Sometimes as Hannah Bell Leigh ... where the gh is silenced by prior traditions in Aramaic and prior ...

Is it best to stay clear of such exposure given what they might dig up? Put that down right now ...
 
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Having learned of some new parties today, I definitely plan to vote next election. Those of most interest to me are the Canada Future, the Centrist, and the United
 
Unification is a dead end given the destruction imposed by conserving Republicans setting everything back ... in the stage and on, or off it as in depth ...

Consider it a pissy brick Rhode ... with a Wahl at the end of the Allah ... and then one enters the dark ... the other side from the lighter moods (humors)!

Singularly most mortals do not know the difference due to rejected info ... a loss of intellectual pontification! Sort of the present USA stance about standing down from peace talks ... there's something behind that also ...

God created all divine diversities as one way was a bore ... too hawquish! Quisha?
 
GordW said:
When your entire career as premier is based on the lie that Ottawa is attacking Alberta you sort of have yourself in a corner....
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Given her proclivities, she's likely to claim that Canada East of Alberta is attacking Alberta by electing Carney as support for Alberta gaining (more) independence. It wouldn't be the first time we've seen Westerners engage in that kind of anti-Ontario/Quebec paranoia.
 
Mendalla said:
Given her proclivities, she's likely to claim that Canada East of Alberta is attacking Alberta by electing Carney as support for Alberta gaining (more) independence. It wouldn't be the first time we've seen Westerners engage in that kind of anti-Ontario/Quebec paranoia.
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Western alienation/anger at Ontario goes back pretty much to the beginning. Originally focused around issues with the way the rail industry operated and the cost of having to purchase farm equipment from the East rather than from the US (IIRC from my Cdn history class almost 40 years ago). Alberta has also always had a strong US influence -- first from farmers coming up for free land in the homestead era and then oil industry folk coming up later in the 20th century
 
GordW said:
Alberta has also always had a strong US influence -- first from farmers coming up for free land in the homestead era and then oil industry folk coming up later in the 20th century
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Even the whiskey trade that originally led to the RCMP being formed and sent out West mostly came up from the South IIRC.
 
Western alienation is real - is it as strong as many say, no. Does AB have concerns with Ottawa - yes, but not like Danielle is making out. Of her "list" of demands, maybe 2 items are legit concerns.
 
Mendalla said:
Even the whiskey trade that originally led to the RCMP being formed and sent out West mostly came up from the South IIRC.
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It did. In fact one reason the NWMP (later RNWMP then RCMP) were formed was to protect against US incursions, also why the CP Rail line took the sourthern line across the prairies rather than a route roughly following the modern Yellowhead highway (which would have been a much easier way through the Rockies)
 
BethAnne said:
Western alienation is real - is it as strong as many say, no. Does AB have concerns with Ottawa - yes, but not like Danielle is making out. Of her "list" of demands, maybe 2 items are legit concerns.
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You are more generous than I am with those 9 demands
 
My paternal grandfather was in the NWMP before AB was actually a province (and maybe shortly after?), he trained troops in WWI, and is supposed to have been in the Merchant Marines too (I can't remember the dates). I have scanned copies of some letters he wrote to the PM/Ottawa that make Danielle look like a pathetic amateur with her list of demands and fighting stance. Now, full disclosure, the first time we read the letters, Sis and I said he was obvious a real hot-head, but even so, he was a very, very articulate one, and could back up his complaints, with names (even important people of the time), dates, and other facts.
 
I came across this on FB today:

"Alot of sore losers out there. I voted Conservative and yes I am disappointed. But the world isn't over. Also, this isn't a west east thing, Ontario was divided, Manitoba was divided, BC was divided, only Alberta and Saskatchewan were dominant Conservative. Quebec was triple divided and Atlantic Canada was majority Liberal. This wasn't a division of Provinces but a division of generations, look at the numbers.

Carney isn't Trudeau, regardless of all the rhetoric. This election was very close. The reality is Pierre and the Conservatives blew it in their campaign strategy, plain and simple. The small majority of Canadians are tired of the rhetoric being spewed, that's why we Conservatives lost. Just look at some comments by people, calling people sheep, stupid, idiots....what the hell kind of person is that. Then people saying the election is rigged, good God spare me. Such sore loser BS. Then spewing about Provinces exiting...its like kids in a sandbox who don't get their way. There are huge realities (legal, Constitutional, jurisdictional) to this and if you knew anything of case law, indigineous rights and even looked at the support for this....it isnt even close to a reality and also is another fear spew to create division. Not a reality. Also stating we need reform, reform of what, that one person one vote isn't the way to go? The majority of people live in big cities and their vote is no more or no less important than our vote in the rural area. So I say this, congrats to the minority Liberal Government and now let's bind together as Canadians again, our neighbor, regardless of how they voted, is our neighbor. Grow up and realize that everyone is entitled to their belief and their vote. I don't care who you are or who you voted for. You are my Canadian colleague, my Canadian neighbor, and we are all in this together. Let's NOT become the USA in attitude as they are being ripped apart by bigotry, hatred and steeped in false reality. We are smarter than that.

All I will say, is when the election comes again, I hope our Conservarive Party stops with the rhetoric and poses some real solutions and focuses on unity, represent all Canadians and speak from strength not fear. If we can do that, we will form a Conservative Government. Let's face it, Pierre didn't even win his own riding...that says alot."
 
Northwind said:
Let's face it, Pierre didn't even win his own riding...that says alot."
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It says that a party leader losing their seat is a meaningless quirk of the Canadian system. It can give a pretext for a leader to resign in the case of a wipeout, but if their party does fine it means nothing since they can just run somewhere else. A single riding does not get to make national decisions.
 
WhyCzar said:
It says that a party leader losing their seat is a meaningless quirk of the Canadian system. It can give a pretext for a leader to resign in the case of a wipeout, but if their party does fine it means nothing since they can just run somewhere else. A single riding does not get to make national decisions.
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I'm sure you'd be telling a different story if Carney lost his riding?
 
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